[ExI] atheism

[Mirco Romanato]

Il 12/12/2009 14.27, John Clark ha scritto:
> On Dec 11, 2009, at 1:42 PM, Mirco Romanato wrote:
>
>> Even if the chance to be real is only 0.00000000000000000000000001%
>> It don't make it unreal, only improbable. Atheists make the error to
>> believe that something very improbable is impossible. Given they are
>> not able to prove their claim, their claim is based on faith. I never
>> see an atheist claim that the existence of god is improbable.
>
> You can't, or at least shouldn't, be absolutely certain about anything
> (I think) therefore if it is inappropriate to use the word "atheist" it
> is also inappropriate to utter any simple declarative sentence about
> anything because there is a chance, however unlikely, that you could be
> wrong.
>
>> I never see an atheist claim that the existence of god is improbable.
>
> Then you lead a very sheltered life.

Last time I checked "Atheist" was someone that negate the existance of 
any god. Not someone that argue that god could exist.

<<Atheism can be either the rejection of theism,[1] or the position that 
deities do not exist.[2] In the broadest sense, it is the absence of 
belief in the existence of deities.[3]>>

Agnostics argue that about not knowing that god exist (or that is not 
possible to know if god exist or not).

<<Agnosticism is the view that the truth value of certain 
claims—especially claims about the existence of any deity, but also 
other religious and metaphysical claims—is unknown or unknowable.[1] 
Agnosticism can be defined in various ways, and is sometimes used to 
indicate doubt or a skeptical approach to questions. In some senses, 
agnosticism is a stance about the differences between belief and 
knowledge, rather than about any specific claim or belief. As such, the 
term agnostic does not necessarily signal a particular view about 
religion or God, as some agnostics also identify as theists or atheists.>>

If someone claim that god could exist, it can not be an Atheist, unless 
he also claim he know for sure that the possibility of god exist is/was 
not realized. And this is a harder claim to make.

Now, if your definitions of Atheism and Agnosticism are different, we 
could talk about them, if you spell them out.

Mirco

P.S.
Anyway, I had done a remark about how the BELIEF of a particular type of 
personal god is useful to "anchor" the BELIEF of unchanging and 
knowledgeable/understandable laws of nature.
Without the belief that nature's laws are fixed forever and can be 
discovered I think modern science can not exist.
The discussion about God existence is/appear a knee-jerk reflex of 
atheists or a way to avoid a difficult topic (or both).

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