[ExI] The symbol grounding problem in strong AI

[Eugen Leitl]

On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 04:37:54PM +1100, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:

> > What different system?
> >
> > If you mean the natural brain, (the only different system known to have understanding), then it doesn't matter whether we can recognize its processes as algorithmic. Any computer running those possible algorithms would have no understanding.
> >
> > More generally, computer simulations of things do not equal the things they simulate.

Still having fun? Still think you're having an argument? 
In reality you don't. After much back and forth everybody's
positions will be exactly where they've been before.

So save the wear on your fingertips and on our retinas.
 
> But it seems that you and Searle are saying that the CR lacks
> understanding *because* the man lacks understanding of Chinese,
> whereas the brain, with completely dumb components, has understanding.
> So you are penalising the CR because it has smart components and
> because what it does has an algorithmic pattern. By this reasoning, if
> neurons had their own separate rudimentary intelligence and if someone
> could see a pattern in the brain's functioning to which the term
> "algorithmic" could be applied, then the brain would lack
> understanding also.

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