[ExI] atheism msg 7 Dec 23

[ankara at tbaytel.net]

In Message: 7, Post Futurist <p0stfuturist at yahoo.com> writes:


> Sure, harm in a relative sense, and personally I despise  
> fundamentalists; yet are most faiths fundamentalist in first-world  
> nations? Not anymore.
>

There are plenty of robust religionists (read - male supremacists)  
residing in North America, see for example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiverfull
"Quiverfull: Inside the Christi… " by Kathryn Joyce


> This list consists of people living primarily in America and the  
> UK. Are most religious orgs, save for in the Deep South, fascistic  
> today? no. And what number on this list have been denied the  
> opportunity to have abortions? not many.
>

Abortion may be legal but that doesn't make it accessible. Child  
protection agencies freely traffic in children and harvest newborns  
from vulnerable (socially or economically oppressed) girls.
See for example:
http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/programs_fund/discretionary/iaatp.htm
http://adoptionsbygladney.com/
http://www.marieclaire.com/world-reports/news/international/surrogate- 
mothers-india
http://www.originsnsw.com/nswinquiry2/id12.html

Sexual assault / sexploitation are crimes yet access to justice,  
assistance and visibility are almost impossible. The victims are  
blamed. The perps are not pathologized. See for example:
http://www.rainn.org/index.php


> Some extropians in Old Blighty can tell us about the Church of  
> England. If anything, the Anglican Church is a harmless, silly tax  
> exempt business.
>

The Anglican & United Church and others are responsible for human  
suffering and degradation, sexual exploitation... to mention only the  
tip of a corrupt and dirty iceberg. Of course these crimes against  
humanity may pale in comparison to the Catholic Church's dirty  
laundry. See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magdalene_Asylum



> In America there is a sizable minority of would-be fascists, but no  
> more than there are social fascist govt. employees, Commies, Cosa  
> Nostra-types, etc.
>
WTF? We were discussing harm - direct harm initiated and inflicted  
via male supremacy. In order to Identify the perps, we need only look  
for its beneficiaries.