[ExI] The symbol grounding problem in strong AI.

Aware aware at awareresearch.com
Tue Dec 29 18:09:49 UTC 2009


2009/12/29 Stefano Vaj <stefano.vaj at gmail.com>:
> 2009/12/29 John Clark <jonkc at bellsouth.net>
>>
>> I've read that essay and I think Nagel was totally confused and his
>> confusion has nothing to do with the mysteries of consciousness, it has to
>> do with logic. He makes it clear that he doesn't want to know what it would
>> be like for Thomas Nagel to be a bat, he wants to know what's it is like for
>> a bat to be a bat. The only way to do that is to turn the man into a bat,
>> but then Thomas Nagel still wouldn't know because he'd no longer be Thomas
>> Nagel, he'd be a bat. Only a bat would know what it's like to be a bat
>> because like it or not consciousness is a private experience.
>
> Impeccably said.
>
> How would you know what's like to be somebody else?
>
> You wouldn't, because it is impossible for somebody to be somebody else.
>
> Organic, electronic, ethereal... Identity is social construct. Everybody
> feels veself whomever ve may be, if he feels anything at all, and if he is
> Mr. Jones or Mr. Brown or his Zombie Replacement by Alien Abductors or a
> califlower is for others to say.
>

Right!  So that pretty well wraps it up for now, shall we say?  ;-)

-Jef



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