[ExI] government corruption

painlord2k at libero.it painlord2k at libero.it
Wed Feb 25 19:01:50 UTC 2009


Il 24/02/2009 20.41, Damien Broderick ha scritto:
> At 08:21 PM 2/24/2009 +0100, Mirco commented on Stathis:
>
>>> So if someone points out that, for example, a particular public
>>> health system is cheaper and results in better outcomes than a
>>> mostly private health system, you react as if you've been
>>> presented with plans for a perpetual motion machine: you *know*
>>> there must be a flaw, clever though the design may be, and it is
>>> just a matter of finding it.
>>
>> Because we are not interested in the short term effects in a
>> particular group of people, but in all effects for all people.
>
> Oddly enough, that's exactly what supporters of a public health
> system say.

The difference is that we know what is not to do, because it cause
damage in the long or not so long term. They say they know what to do
and whatever are the consequences in the long terms.

> "Short-term effects"--the system Stathis and I are used to (which
> has its shortcomings, but not nearly as many as the US
> robber-baron-oligopoloy system) has been doing a good job for, oh,
> 25 years. Those are *long-term effects*. See e.g.

25 years are not "long terms effects".
Soviet Unions fell after 70 years, but Mises wrote about the causes
65 years before the fall.

> <http://www.commonwealthfund.org/Fellowships/Packer-Policy-Fellowships/The-Health-Care-System-and-Health-Policy-in-Australia.aspx>
>
>
Damien please read this:

http://socglory.blogspot.com/2009/02/australia-public-hospital-meltdown.html
AUSTRALIA: THE PUBLIC HOSPITAL MELTDOWN CONTINUES

> CLERKS with no medical training were allegedly made to bandage
> wounds and assess patients at Bundaberg Hospital's emergency
> department. The clerks were also asked to perform other nursing
> duties such as putting ice on patients suffering strains, the Crime
> and Misconduct Commission has been told.

> A baby at a Queensland hospital was assaulted by a doctor who lost
> his temper when the child wouldn't stop wriggling, and an elderly
> patient was left to die in a hallway after being denied proper
> treatment, according to allegations made to the Crime and Misconduct
> Commission. Three hospital staff have sought whistleblower protection
> after detailing allegations of gross medical neglect and
> incompetence, overcrowding, bullying, intimidation and cover-ups at
> the Bundaberg Hospital.
>
> A highly qualified nurse who spoke to The Courier-Mail told how she
> was repeatedly made to falsify records to hide lengthy waiting times
> in the emergency department. She said triage cases were improperly
> and dangerously downgraded because of understaffing. She said a
> troubled teenager who waited five hours without seeing a doctor ran
> away and slashed her wrists. And a doctor said he was too busy to see
> a boy who had been stabbed in the leg in a suspected child abuse
> case. The cases are among 100 serious and minor procedural errors on
> the hospital's prime reporting database.


So, I can only say they support private health insurance because they
are miserably fail to provide for public insurance after they have
collected the money.

How it is a good system if first collect the money of the people, then
support the people to pay again (but with a tax reduction) for the same
treatment but with the right to choose their own doctors?

Mirco




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