[ExI] Art and myth as systems thinking of a sort/was Re: systems thinking

Emlyn emlynoregan at gmail.com
Wed Jul 15 03:11:00 UTC 2009

2009/7/14 Dan <dan_ust at yahoo.com>:
> --- On Mon, 7/13/09, Stefano Vaj <stefano.vaj at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 10:44 PM, ben<benboc at lineone.net> wrote:
>>> Jef bemoaned:
>>>> Oh, for a world where systems-thinking were taught
>>>> to children
>>>> alongside fairy tales, fables, mythology and
>>>> pop-culture.
>>> If one wanted to give oneself an education in
>>> systems-thinking, what would you recommend?
>> Why, I have always believed that fairy tales and mythology
>> do amount to "systems-thinking for children".
> You might be right about that... And this goes for adults too. This sounds similar to the ideas of Bruno Bettelheim, especially as given in his _The Uses of Enchantment: The Meaning and Importance of Fairy Tales_.
> Regarding adults, too, might this function be served by art? I know Rand has been trashed (and defended) on this list, but look soberly at her ideas on art. She sees art as concretizing certain types of abstractions. This seems akin to a systems view of the world. E.g., one doesn't draw out chains of reasoning when thinking of, say, Othello or Ahad. Instead, one seems to have a sort of image one can draw on of just what it means to be obsessed. (This can also go awry -- as in stereotypes.)
> Regards,
> Dan

I totally disagree that any of this stuff relates to systems thinking.
You could stretch and say that various types of art could help
stimulate novel system-related ideas, but as part of the actual system
design / modeling / understanding process, no. Also, I'm sure elements
of system thinking help stimulate the artistic process. But they are
separate things.


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