[ExI] Iran's plan for their gay population

painlord2k at libero.it painlord2k at libero.it
Tue Jun 2 13:12:24 UTC 2009

Il 31/05/2009 20.14, Stefano Vaj ha scritto:
> On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Stathis
> Papaioannou<stathisp at gmail.com>  wrote:
>> An Iranian doctor I know told me about sex change operations in
>> Iran when I made an assumption about how the patient we were
>> discussing, a transsexual, would not have been tolerated in her
>> country. In Iran, she explained, patients could have the operation
>> if they were diagnosed with Gender Identity Disorder, using the
>> same DSM-IV criteria as are used in Western countries.

> In my experience, there is an incredible confusion about Iran legal
> and cultural norms, many people assuming that radical Islam there
> implies a kind of Saudi-style context.

True. I think in Saudi Arabia they don't need to rape a virgin first to 
execute her

> Now, homosexuality is forbidden (even though I do not have any
> information as to the reality of its prosecution: see the laws about
>  adultery or oral sex or witchcraft that  a few US states may still
> not have abrogated). It is true that the dealt penalty is relatively
>  frequent, even though a very moderate rate of crimes exist in
> comparison with many western countries. It is true that you cannot
> book a hotel room with somebody of the opposite sex you are not
> married with.


> OTOH, how many people know that you can enter into temporary marriage
> agreements, ranging from one day to 99 years? Of course, when you
> enter into a marriage of the former duration, you can expect the
> officer celebrating it to rotate his eyes, since he knows only too
> well your immediate purpose. Divorce is of course applicable even to
> marriages of an indefinite duration - even though it may take "up to
> a year" (compare that to 3 to 5 in Italy) in legal formalities; and
> it carries no social stigma for either spouse.

Well, many Mullah make a nice buck selling their services for these type
of marriages. In the West a few would be labelled pimps as some of them
arrange also other parts of the affair.

> Abortion? "Ah, no, abortion is not free, according  to Iranian law it
> must be administered by a licensed physician" (answer offered with a
> straight, albeit slightly embarrassed, face by an Iranian lawyer;
> compare that with the requirement to go through a public hospital and
> some necessary, humiliating bureaucratic steps in Italy).

Something is a sin for a religion and is not for another.
I already have quoted the relevant hadit about this.

But I imagine that aborts, for not married women, is a bit a problem.
Given the harsh penalties for a not married but pregnant woman, I
suppose it is natural that abortion is a bit freer than in Italy. If the
licensed physician is a bit "negligent" in his bookkeeping, the mullahs
spare the problem to stone the woman. A few stoning are good (for their
power), too many are dangerous. It is a loophole, I suppose, that exist
on purpose.

> Stem cells? Where's the problem? An embryo does not even have a soul,
> according to a dominant islamic doctrine, until the third or fourth
> month of pregnancy. Biotechnology? Genetic engineering? Where does
> the Qu'ran says anything against that?

This cut both edges. Any religious "innovation" is blasphemous in Islam
as it is the final and perfect (not so in Christianity, that have the
notion of imperfection and try to improve the understandng of God and
all matters). But Islam is mainly interested in orthopraxy, so it try to
regulate all aspects of people's lives (followers or infidels alike -
Qu'ran is 40% dedicated to infidels as a large part of the hadit).

> Evolution: the Bible is actually a part of the islamic holy
> scriptures, and muslims tend to be literalists. But they also have
> the doctrine of the "corruption of the voice of god" and of the
> "newer truth superseding older claims", so that the entire Genesis
> is largely discredited, the Qu'ran itself being much more friendly to
>  evolutionary biology. In fact, the few muslim creationists in
> existence are not Iranian at all, but... Turks!

The "corruption" is only in the "others" texts, not for theirs.
The Qu'ran is the "uncorrupted world of Allah"; any doubts is not
welcomed and usually suppressed with prejudice as fast as possible.
The "newer truth superseding the old" is only referenced to the suras in
the Qu'ran. After the dead of Mohammed, no more new suras, no more newer
truths. Than, the "old claims" are not superseded, only kept for times
appropriated. Allah word is forever, even if it is self contraddictory.
But Allah is a capricious God without need of consistency or claim of.

> Alcohol? No prohibitionism in place. You are free to get drunk in the
> privacy of your home. Simply, you cannot drink in public places (same
> as in the US), or in places which are open to the public, such as
> restaurants and bars, on the line of the current trend about tobacco
> in the West; and in any event, it is not socially acceptable to get
> to a party in an obviously inebriated state.

The problem arise when the Basiji show up, uninvited, at private parties
where boys and girls mingle and drink. Not islamically correct.


> Women? Why, burkas being unknown there, they have nevertheless to
> keep at least a few hair covered in public, as in other countries at
> least part of the breasts is required to be, nothing which can
> prevent them showing off the creations of their hair stylists,
> make-up artists, etc.

Like this?
or this?
Unfortunately I'm not able to recover a page with the full set of photos
of the event.

> Many of them are college students, medicine doctors, managers,
> journalists, or candidates in the upcoming presidential elections
> (politics being a big deal there, and a passion for a large part of a
> population which vote starting at 16 in very high percentage), more
> than in Japan or in Korea, for that matter. And they are often around
> by themselves, including at night, owing also to the relatively high
> security of live Tehran in comparison with other cities of 12 million
> people.

Given the numbers of prostitutes in Tehran, it is not strange that many
young women and men are around at night.

Sex, drugs and Islam By Spengler

Jihadis and whores By Spengler

>> First, prostitution has become a career of choice among educated
>> Iranian women. On February 3, the Austrian daily Der Standard
>> published the results of two investigations conducted by the Tehran
>> police, suppressed by the Iranian media. [1]
>> "More than 90% of Tehran's prostitutes have passed the university
>> entrance exam, according to the results of one study, and more than
>> 30% of them are registered at a university or studying," reports Der
>> Standard. "The study was assigned to the Tehran Police Department and
>> the Ministry of Health, and when the results were tabulated in early
>> January no local newspaper dared to so much as mention them."

> Having said that, would I live in Iran? Certainly not. But for that
> matter I would live even less in many countries which are the
> darlings of the western governments...

Choices, always choices.

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