[ExI] H+ Healthcare

Natasha Vita-More natasha at natasha.cc
Tue Jun 23 16:14:55 UTC 2009

Thanks for your input Fred. 

On the news this morning, it was suggest in Congress to tax the unions,
which was not well-received. Then it was suggest to tax the citizens, which
was not well-received.  An argument is that we are already taxed for the
many thousands who do not have healthcare by virtue of increases in medical
expenses to cover uninsured anyway.

I am less concerned about healthcare now and more concerned about healthcare
of those who want to live longer and may be heavily taxed for doing so while
jumping through loops.  I think we all should be looking into long term car

Last night on Clark Howard, he was discussing how to build a financial base
for living longer.  He suggested to split what amount of money is put into
retirement fund, which will divvy out monthly payments to you from your fund
for an estimated amount of time for being alive, and a fund with
Schwab/Vanguard, etc. which will hold onto another portion of money just in
case you live longer that estimated.

Nlogo1.tif Natasha Vita-More

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I think Natasha brings up some good questions.

On Mon, 2009-06-22 at 17:58 -0400, natasha at natasha.cc wrote:
> I bring this up because if we have a universal healthcare, how will 
> elderly people be handled? Will they be considered too old to repair?

A few days ago I was watching a Congressional hearing about the current
health bill and there was brief discussion (basically a lot of unknowns)
about quality-adjusted life year (QALY) which is a metric in some systems of
dispensing or withholding care.  So it is likely that something will get put
in to whatever the final bill turns out to be.

> As transhumanists, we desire to long, vital lives.  How will a new 
> healthcare system?s across-the-board set of rules affect us?  Would
> our coverage expire at nature?s suggested human lifespan of 123-max?   
> Would those who do live longer than a considered the norm have to fend 
> for themselves, outside of the system?

Another question is if FDA will approve some possible longevity treatments.
I am not saying this is likely but if we look back at the political mess
surrounding stem cells we see what can happen.

It is difficult to do much of an analysis until something comes up for a
vote in Congress and even then if analysis will be difficult since often a
lot of the details are assigned to the implementing regulations.


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