[ExI] Effectiveness of democracy as a result of selection bias
dan_ust at yahoo.com
Tue Jun 30 13:55:59 UTC 2009
--- On Tue, 6/30/09, Henrique Moraes Machado <cetico.iconoclasta at gmail.com> wrote:
> Rafal> ### From my point of view,
>> democracy is a crappy tool, to be used only
>> until enough people grow up and are capable of making
>> a better society.
> The very concept of state comes IMHO from the necessity to
> cope with scarcity of resources. To get rid of democracy,
> and every other form of government, it's necessary first to
> reach a post-scarcity society type. This all in theory,
> because I really don't know if us apes can exist without
> some kind of politics. And there's also the possibility that
> once we attain this post-scarcity society (if...) we won't
> have anything to do other than politics...
I disagree. I don't think there will ever be such a thing as a post-scarcity society. As long as there are unmet wants, there will be scarcity. And I also disagree that statism -- whether in its democratic form or something else -- is necessary or inevitable either. I think de-legitimizing the state can happen and this can happen in variety of ways -- not necessarily in a purely ideological change where everyone wakes up and sees that statism really is worse than the alternatives.
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