[ExI] Semiotics and Computability

Gordon Swobe gts_2000 at yahoo.com
Mon Feb 8 12:43:45 UTC 2010

--- On Sun, 2/7/10, Spencer Campbell <lacertilian at gmail.com> wrote:

> Gordon, time for the true or false game: there is a
> difference between real toothaches and illusionary toothaches.
> My answer is "false", and I get the impression that yours
> will be "true". If so, why? How?

No, I answer false also. I asked that question about toothaches to point out that subjective facts exist and that consciousness exists. It makes no difference whether your toothache exists as a result of a cavity or as an effect caused by a stage-hypnotist; if you feel the pain then it exists with as much reality as does a heart attack. 

It should seem obvious that the world contains both subjective facts like toothaches and objective facts like mountains. It should seem equally obvious that consciousness exists, and that consciousness has certain qualities. The majority of people do in fact consider these things perfectly obvious. And contrary to the bafflegab promulgated by some quasi-intellectual pseudo-philosophers, on these subjects the majority of people have it exactly right.



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