[ExI] Phil Jones acknowledging that climate science isn'tsettled

Christopher Luebcke cluebcke at yahoo.com
Tue Feb 23 18:27:23 UTC 2010

I must confess that a selection of data points that you find disagreeable doesn't sound like forgery to me.

I further find the fact that you make this accusation without any apparent proof of deliberate forgery slanderous.

There is an extremely dangerous current in political discourse, the current that dictates that it is not enough to disagree with an opponent's position; no, you must convince your fellows that the opponent is dangerous, evil, wicked, bent on the destruction of all that is good and holy.

People who behave in this manner will bring this glorious civilization to its knees.

If you don't have proof of forgery--actual proof that would hold up in a court of law--don't make the claim. You do a disservice to humanity.

If you do have proof, file suit.

----- Original Message ----
> From: Rafal Smigrodzki <rafal.smigrodzki at gmail.com>
> To: ExI chat list <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
> Sent: Tue, February 23, 2010 6:46:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [ExI] Phil Jones acknowledging that climate science isn'tsettled
> On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 1:19 AM, Christopher Luebcke wrote:
> > I was actually looking for independently verifiable evidence of intentional 
> forgery, not a list of accusations that anybody with a keyboard could make. I 
> must presume that you're not actually interested in providing such, because you 
> couldn't possibly believe that the response you gave would sway anybody who 
> didn't already agree with your point of view.
> ### I am not sure what you are asking for. Do you want pointers to
> court cases determining that the activists committed forgery? No, so
> far there haven't been such cases. If you are willing to read a few
> papers by Briffa et al, and file FOIA requests, you should be able to
> make an independent verification of forgery, in the form of selection
> of data points for publication while suppressing data not consistent
> with intended outcome. I can send you a list of such fraudulent
> papers. Will that suffice?
> Rafal
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