[ExI] Is the brain a digital computer?

Stathis Papaioannou stathisp at gmail.com
Wed Feb 24 13:36:35 UTC 2010

On 24 February 2010 23:38, Gordon Swobe <gts_2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> --- On Wed, 2/24/10, Stathis Papaioannou <stathisp at gmail.com> wrote:
>> You are only able to program a computer so that it has very
>> limited and specialised intelligence, like an amoeba or a flatworm,
>> and therefore proportionately limited consciousness.
> No sir. I have never written a program that had consciousness.
>> So you claim both that weak AI is possible and that weak AI
>> is impossible?
> No.
>> If weak AI is possible then by definition it is
>> possible to make an artificial neuron, collection of neurons or
>> person that behaves just like a biological neuron, collection of
>> neurons or person but lacks consciousness.
> And that's exactly what happens in your experiment. After a lot of work the doctor finally creates a patient that passes the TT but lacks consciousness - weak AI.

Could you please clarify that your definition of weak AI is that it
behaves exactly like strong AI according to the strong AI's with which
it interacts? You seem to be saying that this is possible for AI's
interacting with people but not for robot neurons interacting with
biological neurons, which is a very odd position: humans can be fooled
by zombie humans but individual neurons are too smart to be fooled by
zombie neurons! In any case, if it isn't possible to make weak AI
brain components that would mean that these components utilise
non-computable physics, which you keep insisting is not true. Can you
at least see why it looks like you are contradicting yourself?

Stathis Papaioannou

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