[ExI] Flash of insight...

[Brent Allsop]

Psychonaughts,

 From the way others are talking about all this, they clearly don't yet 
fully understand what is going on in the right way.

If you think of a simulated world like Halo, where there are two 
competitors in that simulated world.  The data representing one of them 
could be stored in one memory chip, while the data representing the 
second could be represented by the circuits in a different memory chip.  
If a third competitor showed up between them, certainly you wouldn't 
necessarily conclude that the 3rd persons existence was represented by 
something spatially between these two chips.  But, he could be, just by 
happenstance.  The actual representations (or neural correlates of our 
3D conscious knowledge) need not have anything to do with each other.  
Though the brilliant Steven Lehar makes some very powerful arguments, 
mostly for efficiencies sake, for the correlates being laid out in a 
very isomorphic 3D way.  Kind of like an actual model of your spacial 
world laid out within the neurons of your cortex.

Think of the flat mountains, moon behind them, and the stars, all as 
being not infinitely far away (since your brain isn't large enough to 
represent much more than a few miles of 3d space) but merely flat cut 
outs pasted on the inside of your skull - or actually as being 
represented by the set of neurons closest to your  skull.  And of 
course, your body represented by the neurons near the center of all this 
- with your 'spirit' being inside this, as if it was looking out of the 
representation of the eyes - though unlike the rest, you knowledge of 
your spirit has no referent in reality.


On 11/2/2010 9:52 PM, Alan Grimes wrote:
>
>> I look forward to soon
>> knowing first hand just how diverse your experience of yourself are,
>> Alan, compared to my own.
> ????
>
> How do you propose to do that?
>
>

You haven't read chapters 5 and 6 of 1229 Years After Titanic yet, have you?

http://home.comcast.net/~brent.allsop/1229.htm#_Toc22030742 
<http://home.comcast.net/%7Ebrent.allsop/1229.htm#_Toc22030742>

To start, if we happen to represent things very similarly, there is a 
chance something like an FMRI will be able see enough resolution of 
neural operation to tell us that my experiences are very similar to 
yours - or not.  There may be other tricks, like using cameras and 
goggles to induce one of us to experience things the way the other 
does.  (Again, being confirmed by the FMRI like device observing us 
achieving similar responsible neural correlates - and then saying: 
"There, you have it, that is what it is like for Alan.)

Ultimately, though, as predicted by brilliant V.S. Ramachandran, we need 
to do between brains, what the corpus calosum is doing between our brain 
hemispheres.  We need to eff the ineffable - as in oh THAT is what salt 
tastes like for you.  Such a connecting 'cable of neurons' will enable 
our conscious models of reality worlds to subjectively merge.  When I 
hug my spouse, currently I only experience half of what is going on.  
With this kind of a hook up, I'll be able to experience it all, just as 
I now do for both the right and left half of my body and world of about 
2 miles in both directions - represented by both hemispheres - right 
hemisphere representing my lift body/world and visa verse.

And, as predicted in the 1229 story, our 'spirits' will freely traverse 
between such consciously connected phenomenal worlds.  We'll be making 
unimaginable phenomenal worlds exponentially more diverse and which 
nobody has yet experienced anything phenomenally like yet, and so much 
more.  Not to mentionn we'll finally know 'what it is like to be a bat' 
or a snail.... as we grow toward becoming omni phenomenal and realizing 
that all of nature is so much more than just cause and effect behavior.

I know how the light of a sunset behaves, and what my brains 
representation of a sunset is phenomenally like.  The real question is, 
what is the actual sunset really phenomenally like.

Brent Allsop