[ExI] Towards a new transhumanist movement.

[Richard Loosemore]

I am a little bemused by all this.

Aleksei and Giulio have made it clear that they think nobody is trying 
to push the idea of *forced* uploading.  For my part, I had always 
thought this was too obvious to be worth stating:  It would be absurd to 
suggest that anyone who didn't want to be uploaded, should be uploaded 
against their will.

So where the hell did Alan Grimes get this idea?

He points to Bostrum.  Evidence that he has talked of forced uploading, 
anyone?  And if there are other people who advocate this idea, fine: 
they are idiots.  Move on.

If what Grimes wants is a show of hands, to indicate that people are 
comfortable with a policy of NO forced uploading, I am perfectly happy 
to oblige.

That seems to be three people so far -- Aleksei, Giulio and myself, who 
all reject the idea.  So far nobody seems to have spoken up in favor.

Anyone else?

So, Alan, I do not see much evidence of reluctance to speak up on this 
issue.



Richard Loosemore

P.S.  The question of whether destructive uploading is or is not a good 
idea is entirely separate.  People can come to their own conclusions on 
that, and it is nobody else's business to assert that they are wrong 
about that, if their conclusions only affect their own choice about 
whether to do it.







Giulio Prisco wrote:
> What Aleksei said. Nobody wants to force anyone to upload. Most of us
> believe in individual choice, and when uploading technology will be
> available we will feel free to upload and leave others free to choose.
> Of course we will defend ourselves against anyone who tries to force
> US not to upload.
> 
> On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 7:06 AM, Aleksei Riikonen <aleksei at iki.fi> wrote:
>> Alan,
>>
>> No prominent transhumanists are arguing that people should be uploaded
>> even if they don't want to.
>>
>> You would benefit from paying attention to reality for a change...