[ExI] Uploading

[Alan Grimes]

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Since you seem fairly sympathetic to my position, I'll try to keep a
friendlier tone than I usually do, chrome://messenger. Nevertheless I
have a few points to make and I don't mince words as a point of policy.
Please take my comments only as trying to argue a point, not against you
personally.

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>> Uploading is very strictly defined as ...

> Uploading is not strictly defined at all.
> You seem to have a fixed idea of what the word 
> should mean, but that idea is not shared by everyone.

Please look at the last 100 posts on this list that weren't written by
me. Of the ones that argue some point related to uploading, How many
suggest any kind of gradual transfer where the original is maintained
both intact and as a part of the evolving mind?

>> Nobody, anywhere, thinks of a situation involving an
>> AI substrate and a
>> neural interface when someone mentions uploading. 

> That is factually wrong, since one of the several
> uploading scenarios that I think of includes that 
> one, and I'm sure I'm not alone.

Quite true, but which of those "several uploading scenarios" inspires
the most prose? Are the other approaches even discussed anywhere?

> Uploading just means the process of copying one's mind
> from the biological brain into an artificial one.  
> No specific mechanism is implied, as we don't yet know
> which mechanisms will actually work.  It's certainly 
> not exclusive of any physically possible mechanism.

What I'm discussing is more of an inch-worm process, not a copying
process. So yes my approach is clearly distinct from any approach
involving copying.

>> Uploading == destructive brain uploading with full
>> brain emulation and
>> *NOTHING* else.

> Why be so restrictive in your definition? There's no
> need.

I'm afraid that there is. I need a term that clearly doesn't mean
destructive brain uploading.

> You call me an 'uploader' (although I'm not, yet!),
> and by implication stigmatise me with your personal, 
> idiosyncratic definition of the word Upload, when in
> fact I'm open to many other types of uploading,
> including the one that you propose.  Which I think is
> a very good idea, btw.

Thanks... I'll also happily obsolete some of the things I've said about
you.


>> Uploading is uploading. Using a Cray
>> XE6 as extra gray matter is not. (OMG: 1 million core
>> scalability!!!)

> OK, you seem adamant in your dislike of the word 
> "uploading".
> What word do you want to use instead?  
> Let's use that.

A person on Orkut coined the term "Meta Brain Growth Transhumanism" but
that doesn't really roll off the tongue...

>> Sure they are. If you don't insist on carrying your
>> brain around with
>> you, it's perfectly reasonable that it could be
>> expanded biologically.
>> Advanced CMT would also serve as a mostly biological
>> enhancement.
>> Additionally one could consider merging several
>> bio-brains together.

> CMT?

I planted that there to see if you were familiar with it. ;)

CMT = Computer Mediated Telepathy.

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