[ExI] don't let your guard down, not for a minute...
timhalterman at gmail.com
Fri Sep 10 13:24:07 UTC 2010
2010/9/9 samantha <sjatkins at mac.com>
> On 9/9/10 6:55 AM, Tim Halterman wrote:
> Really, what do you make of this?
> No current system is perfect and everlasting, communism, capitalism or
> Why? What makes them fail? Are some better than others? In what ways.
The fact that governance is requried. As long as there is a human in
authority there will likely be envy and certainly inequality. This is
imperfect. And sure I find some better than others.
> I don't think any system which requires people to do something they
> don't wish or relies on exploiting another being as a permanent solution.
> Laissez faire capitalism requires neither.
I'd say produce or starve is a flaw. Capitalism requires people to do
something they possibly may not wish to do, or even have the ability to do.
> These systems are simply biding their time until technology advances to a
> point that a true communism is possible.
> BARF. Communism is utterly broken by design.
> Communism in that sense being a society where individuals are free to
> do as they wish and do not require the exploitation of others to do so. I
> think Marx felt this way, although specific quotes elude me (It's been a
> number of years since I read his work).
> That is not communism. In communism the collective owns everything and the
> individual owns nothing. "From each according to his ability, to each
> according to his needs" is a common slogan of communism at its most
> idealistic. That is utterly unworkable. When everyone owns everything and
> nothing no one has the right to do with anything at all what she wishes.
The ideal communism I speak to does not contain the word "own" nor does it
take anything from each. And yes I've read Atlas Shrugged.
> I always looked at the Soviet Union as simply picking a model close to a
> hopeful end-state. Had technology progressed at a faster rate I'm not sure
> the collapse would have been inevitable, they could have simply evolved. I
> see the most technologically advanced societies the closest to achieving
> true communism.
> A state that killed tens of millions on its own citizens on purpose is held
> up as an ideal and just before its time? This is utterly abhorrent.
> - samantha
I'm not going to defend the Soviet Union, that wasn't really my point. I
will say however that unless you live on another planet we're all pieces on
the same game board. Until a day comes when not one person goes hungry the
same day a resource is spent on the defense or offense of one nation against
another I'm not going to participate in finger-pointing. We all pay taxes,
we all own a piece of a gun.
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