[ExI] samantha vs singularity debate
dan_ust at yahoo.com
Wed Sep 15 21:41:44 UTC 2010
But if the benevolent AI had infinite power, why would there be need for
developmental states? Wouldn't it always and everywhere be nirvana? Of course,
you could argue for a Power guiding humanity now, but a Power would still be
From: "ablainey at aol.com" <ablainey at aol.com>
To: extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org
Sent: Wed, September 15, 2010 5:25:27 PM
Subject: Re: [ExI] samantha vs singularity debate
This could tie in with the memes thread. Mankind would need to be at a
developemental state in which it would except the guidence of the AI. Perhaps
the social catalyst was the wars?
Do you not feel that mankind is being memetically guided toward something?
I do and it would appear that it has been going on for quite a long time. Some
say NWO, others the reds. Why not a post singularity AI?
From: Gregory Jones <spike66 at att.net>
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Sent: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 21:53
Subject: [ExI] samantha vs singularity debate
Watching the interchange between Singulary Utopia and Samantha reminds me of
Douglas Hofstadters Eternal Golden Braid struggle between Achilles and Mr.
Tortoise. Singularity Utopia has confidently proposed that we will have
infinite this and that, do the impossible, etc. (no need for me to elaborate,
you get the picture). Clearly the paradox I mentioned a few days ago cannot
be avoided in that model. A post singularity infinite AI would master time
travel, go back in time to before the horrifying wars of the 20th century (and
every other century for that matter), explain to the people living then how to
bring about the singularity, which causes the singularity to happen sooner,
sparing all that unnecessary suffering. If that can happen, why didn't it? Or
did it and we just don't know we are post singularity sims? If so, all our
simulated suffering is intentional (or at least voluntary) on the part of some
super AI, in which case the post singularity AI is at least partly evil, which
breaks SU's model. I don't know if my own sorrow and joy are real, but it
sure feels real from inside here. >From a third party observer: Samantha wins
this round. There are some impossible things which apparently will stay
impossible. spike _______________________________________________ extropy-chat
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