[ExI] Mind uploading via Gmail
giulio at gmail.com
Tue Sep 28 17:18:35 UTC 2010
As you say, "GMail, or services extended from GMail including
BCI-extracted emotional responses" is more precise. I am thinking
about overall feasibility in principle, not of a detailed engineering
plan. Gmail is just an example, and of course we can use whatever
2010/9/28 Adrian Tymes <atymes at gmail.com>:
> 1) Why would BCI-extracted information be a part of GMail? Adding such
> things makes it
> fundamentally different than an email client - different enough that it
> would likely have a
> different name. Thus, saying "GMail" specifically makes this consideration
> moot. (Now, if
> you said "GMail, or services extended from GMail including BCI-extracted
> responses", that starts lending some plausibility. It may seem like a mere
> difference, but it isn't.)
> 2) When they start extracting said information via BCI, they'll have already
> started making
> an upload of you, whether or not you've given permission. They will likely
> insist on
> resolving any permission issues at that time, and therefore, any previous
> permissions -
> even ones given by subsequently dead folk - will almost certainly be
> disregarded as legally
> impossible to have given for want of context, regardless of the letter of
> what was said.
> (Judging based on existing precedent. Even in the Singularity, some things
> can be
> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 9:04 AM, Giulio Prisco <giulio at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I agree that the information isn't there... today.
>> But suppose I keep using Gmail and similar services for 30 years,
>> adding geolocation, video and BCI-extracted emotional responses as new
>> options become available. Suppose I start adding childhood visual and
>> sensory memories via BCI...
>> Suppose all my friends do the same.
>> Don't you think my own Gmail account and, in a lesser measure, the
>> Gmail accounts of my friends, would have a lot of information about
>> me, orders of magnitude more than today?
>> My post will be interpreted by many as a joke, but to me in is (at
>> least half-) serious.
>> 2010/9/28 Adrian Tymes <atymes at gmail.com>:
>> > "2) AI-based mindware technology able to reconstruct individual
>> > mindfiles by
>> > analyzing
>> > the information in their aggregate Gmail accounts and other available
>> > information, with
>> > sufficient accuracy for mind uploading via detailed personality
>> > reconstruction, is available."
>> > There is much reason to believe this is beyond the realm of
>> > plausibility.
>> > Not as in, "we
>> > don't have the AI for it today", but as in, "the information to do this
>> > simply isn't there."
>> > Does this record your day to day lives? Not really. (If you sincerely
>> > disagree, chronicle
>> > how you spend each hour of a given day, and then honestly look at your
>> > outbox and see
>> > how much of that is even mentioned. Deliberately rigging the system,
>> > like
>> > doing a diary via
>> > email for just that one day, doesn't count: this needs to be a
>> > representative sample of most
>> > of your days.)
>> > Does this record your experiences in offline conversations, or most of
>> > your
>> > pre-email life?
>> > Again, no. Certain details might come up; most of it won't. Further,
>> > it'll
>> > be a subset of
>> > what you remember, because you have to have remembered it at some point
>> > to
>> > have
>> > mentioned it in email. (While you may forget something that email will
>> > remember, even if
>> > you spend the majority of your life with GMail, the amount that you know
>> > and
>> > it has never
>> > seen will remain substantial.)
>> > This is the kind of thing a critic of the Extropians can latch onto, to
>> > dismiss the entire
>> > movement as "obviously woowoo pseudoscience bunk".
>> > On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 2:47 AM, Giulio Prisco <giulio at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> http://giulioprisco.blogspot.com/2010/09/mind-uploading-via-gmail.html
>> >> You may wish to give your permission too (you never know). Use the
>> >> comment field or any other _public_ means.
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