[ExI] Plastination

[Eugen Leitl]

On Tue, Feb 01, 2011 at 07:30:17PM -0800, Amara D. Angelica wrote:
> Are there experimental procedures that could potentially falsify these
> hypotheses?
> 
> 1. Brain function and memory require persistence of all (case 2: some)
> molecular dynamics of a living brain.

Dynamics is not present in vitrified tissue, yet that tissue
can be resumed.

> 2. Molecular dynamics cannot be reconstructed from gross structure. 

I see what you're trying to say, but no.

> 3. Molecular dynamics can be reconstructed but only if the structure is
> accurately measured at subatomic or quantum levels prior to death (case 2:
> prior to cryopreservation), but the uncertainty principle negates accurate
> measurements. 
> 4. Current cryopreservation protocols result in loss of subatomic and
> quantum data.
> 5. Cryopreservation inherently destroys subatomic and quantum data.

Oh, you're one of those.
 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org] On Behalf Of Brent Allsop
> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 7:12 PM
> To: extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org
> Subject: Re: [ExI] Plastination
> 
> 
> I'm also very interested in this subject, so thanks, Quoting, for 
> bringing it up.  I'd also love to hear from someone like Ken Hayworth.
> 
> Wouldn't a physical neural researcher be a good person to ask?  You 
> know, the kind of researchers  that work with actual neurons - slicing 
> up brains - looking at them at the microscopic and even nano scale 
> level, and so on?
> 
> I'm completely ignorant on all this, but my completely uninformed gut 
> feel is that a sliced up bit of hard frozen brain, even if very much 
> fractured, would contain much more preserved information than anything 
> plasticized?
> 
> Brent Allsop
> 
> 
> On 2/1/2011 7:14 PM, natasha at natasha.cc wrote:
> > Who knows if this is a truly beneficial way to go, but the person you 
> > would want to review his study is Ken Hayworth.  It is his project and 
> > his research.
> >
> > Natasha
> >
> >
> > Quoting Kelly Anderson <kellycoinguy at gmail.com>:
> >
> >> Has anyone seriously looked at plastination as a method for preserving
> >> brain tissue patterns?
> >>
> >>
> http://www.bodyworlds.com/en/institute_for_plastination/mission_objectives.h
> tml 
> >>
> >>
> >> It seems to preserve extremely delicate structures and lasts for
> >> 10,000 years without keeping things cold. A technology advanced enough
> >> to unfreeze a brain seems like it would be able to work with these
> >> things just about as easily...
> >>
> >> -Kelly
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