[ExI] Social right to have a living

[Samantha Atkins]

On 06/30/2011 01:39 AM, BillK wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 2:30 AM, Samantha Atkins wrote:
> <snip>
>> Default on a contract and you get called in front of the DRO (dispute
>> resolution organization) agreed to as part of the contract.  If you default
>> on the DROs judgment or blow them off  then others will be very unlikely to
>> do business with you or trust you.  There are also escrow type arrangements
>> without involving a state.  You don't need a state for such defaulting on
>> agreements to receive much negative feedback.   You don't get impartiality
>> from a government.
>>
>>
> The crooks don't care about negative feedback, or peoples' opinions.
> Offer a cheaper price and people will avoid escrow systems.

Not after getting burned a time or two they won't.

> Look at the scam artists on the Internet. How many people do you think
> do repeat business with them?

Human stupidity is rampant and increases when you make it supposedly 
"safe" to be stupid.  So?

> None - but there are always new punters sending money in. So the huge
> profits keep rolling in.
> If eventually business winds down, start up a new company and carry on.

Actually, not so huge at all.  That there are bottom feeding scum 
suckers does not mean you need to somehow rejigger the entire ecology 
just for the sake of saying you did something to get rid of them.   In a 
society where your reputation is valuable and where no one protects 
fools from the fruits of their foolishness I think you get far less of 
that than in the alternatives.

> You don't even have to offer a product. Just offer hope of a cure, or
> a hope of receiving more money back, or a hope of good luck in the
> future, or............

I can't protect idiots from their idiocy and I refuse to bind free and 
honest people to attempt to do so.

> If you can get the government in your pocket, like the banksters, then
> just pay a fine occasionally  and carry on ripping people off.

The government is in my pocket - they take nearly 50%  of everything 
that ever comes near my pocket.  If I gave them more do you think they 
might give a little of it back?

> To stop scams and white-collar crime you need a legal system of
> justice, law enforcement, jail time and requisition of ill-gotten
> gains.

You need a legal system but this does not need to be run by a state.  
Jail is not effective.  Ill-gotten is difficult to determine.  We are so 
far off that people have had their house taken just because some 
busybody found a joint on the premises.   I believe very much in full 
restitution by the perpetrator of any harm to a victim.  It is hard to 
do that from prison where you harm more people to keep your sorry ass 
locked up.

> The US used to have that. They should consider trying it again sometime.

They used to have something a great deal closer to what I am describing.

- samantha