[ExI] Social computability
rafal.smigrodzki at gmail.com
Thu Mar 3 02:00:40 UTC 2011
Richard, I won't try to address all the emotionally charged questions
you posed but instead I can only invite you to try to dispassionately
analyze the problem of efficiency - What arrangements are in general
more likely to work in terms of achieving whatever goals are set for a
complex system, i.e. a network? What network topology is more robust -
one that contains redundancy or one that doesn't? Which networks
compute better - ones with or ones without feedback links?
I understand you are a student of artificial intelligence - try to
apply your knowledge of efficient network computation to conceptualize
the society as a network that calculates the methods of achieving
goals inscribed in the structure of the network's nodes.
I am sure you will be able to achieve a deeper understanding of social
reality and, more importantly, the vistas for future social
development, once you rise above emotions, especially empathy, and
On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Richard Loosemore <rpwl at lightlink.com> wrote:
> spike wrote:
>>> ... On Behalf Of Richard Loosemore
>>> ... people coming together and realizing that it is in everyone's best
>> interest if the community is forced to pool their resources to pay for
>> things like roads and theaters and bridges and schools and police
>> Indeed? The critical difference in my thinking and yours is found in this
>> one sentence. People coming together for roads, bridges, schools and
>> police, yes. Theatres? No. That is exclusively the domain of private
>> industry, and the root of the tension between libertarian and statist. It
>> is not in everyone's best interest to pool resources to build theatres.
> The inclusion of "theaters" was strictly optional: not essential to my
> argument. A throwaway.
> So let me see if I understand: you are saying that without the word
> "theater" in my description, what I said bore no resemblance to the
> philosophy of libertarianism?
> Would it be more accurate, then, to say that Libertarianism is about
> SUPPORTING the government funding of:
> Public transport in places where universal use of cars would
> bring cities to a standstill, or where poor people would
> otherwise be unable to escape from ghettos,
> The armed forces,
> Universities, and publicly funded scholarships for poor students,
> National research laboratories like the Centers
> for Disease Control and Prevention,
> Snow plows,
> Public libraries,
> Emergency and disaster assistance,
> Legal protection for those too poor to fight against the
> exploitative power of corporations,
> Government agencies to scrutinize corrupt practices by
> corporations and wealthy individuals,
> Basic healthcare for old people who worked all their lives
> for corporations who paid them so little in salary that
> they could not save for retirement without starving to
> death before they reached retirement,
> And sundry other programs that keep the very poor just above
> the subsistence level, so we do not have to step over their
> dead bodies on the street all the time, and so they do not
> wander around in feral packs, looking for middle-class people
> that they can kill and eat...
> .... but it is about NOT supporting the government funding of theaters?
> In that case I misunderstood, and all western democracies are more or less
> libertarian already, give or take the 0.0001 percent of their funding that
> goes toward things like theaters and opera houses.
> Richard Loosemore
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