[ExI] Ignorant fear mongering (was Re: Doomsday Oil Price: (was RIP: Peak Oil))

[Brent Allsop]

Sorry,

I'm just being open about my current beliefs, and how I feat as I read 
this, whether I'm mistaken or not.  It may not have come through in that 
post, but I really do care about and respect what you (and everyone else 
saying the same thing) are saying.  It's just that I don't really have 
time to fully study some of the sources you guys were quoting, let alone 
read every post, nor become near the expert you guys are on any of 
this.  I was just simply trying to point out how just talking about it, 
like this, add infinitem, without tracking and summarizing what everyone 
is saying / believing - as compared to the experts (as person chooses to 
select them) it's kind of a waist.

I basically don't have time to read add infinite wasteful statements 
like all this, but if you guys would canonize some of your work, so we 
could basically find out what everyone thinks are the most compelling 
reasons, so my ignorrant wisdom can keep up with you experts, in some 
kind of accelerated, with an easy and concise state of the art 
reference.  That data you are pointing out - obviously convinces you.  
If it is really morally important, if peoples life are dependent on it, 
you need to also find out, and measure, what everyone else is thinking, 
and what it will take to help them see the moral light.  - Just like 
we're doing with the consciousness survey project.

In my mind, all you've posted was a  waste, and long washed under the 
bridge, never to be seen again (I even missed the opening of the 
thread).  But if the same stuff was concisely and quantitatively 
canonized, constantly improving in a wiki way....?  Maybe then some of 
us mistaken masses, currently more interested in other things, could 
have a hope of keeping up, so less people end up suffering?  I'm just 
trying to raise the level of communication in this group, and enable to 
it progress, instead of everyone being eternally stuck in the yes / no / 
yes / no mud, nobody caring anything about what anyone else but them 
thinks, forever.

Brent Allsop



On 2/25/2012 2:53 PM, The Avantguardian wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Jeff Davis<jrd1415 at gmail.com>
>> To: brent.allsop at canonizer.com; ExI chat list<extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
>> Cc:
>> Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 1:09 PM
>> Subject: Re: [ExI] Ignorant fear mongering (was Re: Doomsday Oil Price: (was RIP: Peak Oil))
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 6:10 AM, Brent Allsop
>> <brent.allsop at canonizer.com>  wrote:
>>> Hi faithless fear mongers,
>> Thanks, Brent.  I've been sitting here wondering where to start.  Now
>> you've taken the weight off my shoulders.
>>
>> There is something in the human psyche that loves worrying.  About
>> something.  About anything.  I call it the Henny Penny Syndrome.  "The
>> sky is falling!!"  "We're doomed!! We're all doomed!!" 
>> Something in
>> such declarations provides some sort of emotional relief.
> Oh puhleez. Do you really think that what I am saying is motivated by fear? What I am saying is that *civilization* is at risk. Most of you will probably more or less survive the collapse of civilization. (2/3 would be a reasonable survival rate for collapse). The point is not that you should fear for your life, but that you would have to live with the shame of having dropped the ball on your turn on the court of life. Your opportunity to be the generation of mann, yea wifmen and wermen both, to bring about the singularity. All that is really at stake is a few hundred to thousands of years back at the drawing board. So mu to "ignorant fear-mongering".
>
>> Soon humanity will be expanding beyond the Terran gravity well.  Then
>> this fear-mongering will be seen for the emotion- and ambition-driven
>> manipulation that it is.  Fifty years tops.  Till then primordial
>> hydrocarbons and nukes will do us just fine.
> Soon compared to the singularity that was the emergence of life? Soon compared to the singularity that was the emergence of multicellular life? Soon compared to the singularity that was the emergence of eusocial intelligence? Then yes.
>
>> Stop being manipulated by the fear-mongering and celebrate the awesome
>> wonderfullness of life.  Notice, but don't obsess over, things outside
>> yourself.  Focus on your own prosperity, build something for yourself,
>> and don't be diverted by scary stories that emotionally manipulate you
>> into serving the interests of others,...at your expense.
> Very good advice. Allow me to translate for the liberals that might be reading:
>
> "Don't fall for advertising, just be happy that you get a workable product, preferably locally made by people with a rough genetic simularity to you. Focus on your running the rat race in your hamster wheel so long as you have a job and can afford a hamster wheel. Notice, but don't complain about the clumsily-hid machinations of the powerful, while they tax you and give your money to the privileged elite around the world. Be thankful they have not loosed their dogs upon you for sleeping in their parks."  
>
> Sheesh Jeff and Brent, I expected *more* faith from you two.
>
>   
>   
> Stuart LaForge
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>
> "The state that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards, and its fighting by fools." -Thucydides.
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