[ExI] Ignorant fear mongering (was Re: Doomsday Oil Price: (was RIP: Peak Oil))

[Brent Allsop]

Bill and Stefano,

Thanks so much for pointing out how important all this is.  I so much 
agree, just as you say, on both sides.

It sounds like you guys think at least some people believe, it is the 
politician's job to handle this, yet they can't do anything because of 
the popular vote!  And THAT is the problem.  The poloticians have 
nothing, really, to do with any of this.  If we could know, concisely 
and quantitatively, what everyone wanted, we wouldn't even need any 
politicians.  We simply need to find way to amplify the moral wisdom of 
society, so the moral wisdom of the experts in the crowd no longer get 
drowned out by the mistaken, clueless, people that mistakenly think they 
are the 'moral majority'.

Part of this is surveying for what everyone does believe on all such 
issues.  Again, we need to know, concisely and quantitatively, what 
everyone does believe, in a way so that the moral experts can see what 
everyone believes, and where they are mistaken, and why.  The moral 
experts need to be able know what evidence, and arguments, might 
convince everyone, not just themselves.

And we need to provide the common man, with the ability to select who 
they think are the experts, and provide a way for them to have easy 
access reference access so they can know what they all think, concisely 
and quantitatively, are the best actions to take.  Sure, some people are 
going to select the experts, incorrectly, but on the hole things should 
improve significantly.  And, again, measuring for, and knowing who are 
everyone's experts, is part of the problem.  All this can be improved.

All this is and so much more is what canonizer.com is all about.  We 
need to provide a tool to the experts so they can all build as much 
consensus as possible on everything they do agree on, without focusing 
so much on what they disagree on.  We need to measure this consensus.  
All these kinds of thinks will make it possible to significantly amplify 
the moral wisdom and intelligence of the crowd, and stop all this 
infernal, eternal, yes, no, yes, no, deadlock, nobody can do anything 
other than find something to disagree about, and kill each other because 
of it.

We've got to find out, concisely, quantitatively, and in real time, what 
the minority moral experts believe, and provide a way for the rest of us 
to understand and keep up, and correspondingly, atone and expiate.

Brent Allsop






On 2/26/2012 6:22 AM, BillK wrote:
> 2012/2/26 Stefano Vaj wrote:
>> But what seems excessive to me is that some of use appear to deny *in
>> principle* and *at any time* the risk of ending up in energetic (economic,
>> evolutionary, etc.) dead ends, where selection for immediate returns would
>> actively prevent us from making the investments or the detours necessary to
>> get out of our predicament(s).
>>
>> This reminds me of faith in the Providence (or avatars thereof, such as the
>> Invisible Hand) and is quite symmetrical to the millenial idea that Doom is
>> impending unless we see the Errors of Our Ways, Atone and Expiate.
>>
>>
> I have always found that it is much easier to make decisions when you
> are faced with no alternative.
> I have the feeling that is what our politicians are waiting for.
>
> We already seem to be at the stage where we have no 'good' choices
> left. Politicians like to offer a view of wondrous benefits if you
> vote for them. Even in the middle of the worst financial crisis the
> world has seen, politicians are eager to talk about their spending
> plans.
>
> At the moment the water is getting hot, but it is not yet hot enough
> that we have to jump before we boil. Politicians just can't promise
> higher taxes and work harder to solve a problem in twenty years time.
> They won't get elected next year and that's their main concern. When
> things get bad enough that the people are marching to demand higher
> taxes and crash programs for energy development - then the politicians
> will step forward and leap into action. We must anticipate bad things
> to come.
>
>
> BillK
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