[ExI] Wrestling with Embodiment

Mike Dougherty msd001 at gmail.com
Sat Jan 21 02:15:15 UTC 2012

2012/1/20 <natasha at natasha.cc>
> What the heck is Hayles (How We Became Posthuman) talking about when she says that posthumans are disembodied?  I had thought that she meant that posthumans will forgo a body to be Moravecean robots.  That transhumanists don't give a rat's behind about having any body, not even a series of codes that might be interpreted as a platform or system.  But when I look at the concept of embodiment it is most definitely not Cartesian.  Does it mean that our bodies form us?  That our minds are the product of the body?  Certainly this can't be -- unless one is more artistic and defends perceptions and sensorial interpretations of the world far above other cognitive processes performed by the brain.
> Embodiment is a big term in the area of human enhancement.  Can someone unpack it for me and give me a clear understanding of just what it is?  Where did it originate?  Psychology or philosophy?
> Thanks, I am indebted to your cleverness, as I certainly don't have any on this.

An easy answer that comes to mind is that Hayles is simply wrong.  I
haven't read anything she's written, so I may also be wrong.  I wonder
who appointed her the official spokesperson for all of posthumanity?

It is much easier to imagine trans/post -humanists as them in the
classic us vs. them pattern.  A giant amorphous "other" is much easier
to hate/fear/etc than an actual person with more similarities than

i don't know.  'just sharing my thoughts.

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