[ExI] Currently leading “qualia” camp attacking Dennett’s “mistake”.
Brent Allsop
brent.allsop at canonizer.com
Sat Jul 14 21:26:49 UTC 2012
Open letter to Dr.s Daniel Dennett and Keith Frankish,
There is a new emerging camp, at Canonizer.com, very supportive of
Daniel Dennett’s ideas about consciousness currently being called
Representational Functionalism (current camp:
http://canonizer.com/topic.asp/88/18). Despite rapid achievement of
some significant consensus for this new camp, at that level, it still
lags behind the leading expert consensus Property Dualism camp (current
camp: http://canonizer.com/topic.asp/88/19 ).
In response to the theoretically revolutionary success of this new
emerging camp, the experts supporting the currently leading “classic
qualia” property dualism camp are working to canonize a new version of
their camp statement containing a significant attack against this
upstart. This attack is against the ‘mistake’ most often attributed to
Daniel Dennett, when people claim we don’t have qualia "it just seems
like we do." [Consciousness Explained P. 375].
The experts in this upstart camp, in response to this pending attack,
have proposed that Daniel Dennett doesn’t mean that we don't have some
subjective experiences. It would be tautologically false to say, "We
don't have the experiences that we seem to have, we just seem to have
them." Instead, they suggest that Dennett is saying something like "we
don't have experiences that have any magical properties beyond the
causal structure and dynamics of physics, it just seems like we do."
Is this response being taken by this upstart camp the best consensus
thinking by the most experts? How many other experts are there that
think this is a completely inadequate response, for the reasons being
given in the newly proposed Property Dualism statement containing this
attack? Is this really a mistake? Are there any other better ways to
think about this issue out there, and how much consensus might there be
for such? Both camps would like to know, what Dr. Dennett, and others
in this camp thinks, so we can avoid this kind of speculation in any
statements that end up making it through the canonization process.
This is an open letter in that we are seeking to survey for what
everyone thinks on this issue. How many people will be in the camp
Dennett will ultimately end up in, before he ends up there, after all
the arguments and science are said and done?
The new version of Property Dualism camp, and related sub camp
statements, containing this attack are being collaboratively developed
by everyone in a wiki way on Google docs, to eventually be 'canonized'
once finalized by everyone in their respective camps. We invite any and
everyone to help improve this process, whatever your current working
hypothesis is regarding consciousness. Here are the links to the
proposed drafts of the new Goggle doc statements containing this attack:
• Property Dualism
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gginaif0YTvDVSwFF7V_wRei-SDZlelt0LPIc5I_gD8/edit
• Material Property Dualism
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dogSoCsouz2RhQ-CTNjtnYJ8Xr6JILNDki5Kn_met_o/edit
• Macro Material Property Dualism
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1V03WBMSY5cKf97NoM6KPZSKtxEEHg5MZJfb6FPq0Ui0/edit
As always, the goal of this open survey process is to amplify everyone's
wisdom with significantly improved communication by collaboratively
developing concise descriptions of the best theories of consciousness,
building consensus around such, and rigorously tracking how much
consensus there is for each, as we approach what could turn out to be
the greatest and most consensus building scientific discovery of all
time. It appears there may already be much more consensus than anyone
realizes.
Brent Allsop
Volunteer Consciousness Survey Project
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