[ExI] Wind, solar could provide 99.9% of ALL POWER by 2030

Tomasz Rola rtomek at ceti.pl
Sun Jan 13 22:48:58 UTC 2013


On Sun, 13 Jan 2013, Eugen Leitl wrote:

> On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 07:14:48AM +0100, Tomasz Rola wrote:
> 
> > About guerilla guys - I don't want to sink your expectations, but AFAIK 
> > they don't scale up. There are no guerilla governments, corporations or 
> 
> What I meant is that that people will start using cheap <kWp installations,
> and plug them directly into wall sockets, thus reducing their rising
> power bills. And making life of electricians and grid operators
> a lot harder.

I see :-) but I guess there is always a possibility on their side to make 
life of users harder in response. Like, force them to change electricity 
counters, to such operating in one direction only and "burning" when 
driven in reverse. When mob gets angry and starts complaining to 
newspapers, a PR person says something like "uh, blame those diy bastards 
for the current sorry state of things, we always want only the good for 
you but they play tricks with the grid and thus we all suffer..." (it 
could be said in such a way that listeners imagine "diy-b" as thieves, 
without actually saying so).

In case there are more energy providers, they could all do this kind of 
stuff, either at once or in time span of umpteen months.

Of course later on, more people may realize they really want to feed grid 
with their own energy, so such tricks (FUD etc) are good only for a while. 
Assuming that people learn, which is optimistic version.

But overally, money speaks to both sides, right? If users would want to 
keep more of theirs in the pockets, providers would want even more to put 
hands into those pockets, too, because there would be money there.

> > other high level organisations. I am sure the micro/nano grids will 
> 
> I personally will do a parallel insular 12 V installation, probably
> this spring.

All right, this is very cool idea. I have been fancing myself with it for 
some time, but I'm not sure when I could start because first I'll have to 
deal with a (very physical) heap of printed paper. The bloody heap starts 
to threaten me, and we sometimes make jokes about various animals living 
inside - which is not true, of course (or maybe it is, I don't know), even 
thou animals got bigger over time, I mean, could I host a crocodile there? 
Yes I could. Well, maybe a young cayman, rather than an old fully grown 
well fed croc. In worst case, I will buy a cork helmet and harpoon. And 
maybe start guiding tourists.

Other than this small obstacle, I will be glad to give a 12v idea a try. 
There is plenty of devices and adapters ready, so choice of voltage is 
good, I think.

BTW, are you going to start small (as in experimenting) or are you going 
to start big (wire all house)? Myself, I will rather start small. There 
is still a lot to learn, small is easier to redesign etc. I guess it is 
going to sit on a table during first few incarnations, so very small :-).

Perhaps you could write some bits to a blog?

Regards,
Tomasz Rola

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