[ExI] Dealing with transhumanism bashing

Joshua Job nanite1018 at gmail.com
Mon Jun 24 00:34:56 UTC 2013

I can give it a try. You say 96% of the population won't upload or
otherwise make radical upgrades. That may well be true, at first. But as
the decades and centuries wear on, it will change. People will be more
comfortable with uploading and radical modifications, and they'll let them
do lots of things they couldn't otherwise do. And young people will embrace
it more and more. The percentage won't go to 100% but it will be high.

And nanotechnology allows tons of computation with little energy, so MOSHs
as Kurzweil calls them will be immersed in a world which contains trillions
of minds, mostly without their notice. Uploads could basically let them
have their orbitals and houses at negligible cost. The number of MOSHs will
be low enough they probably won't ever expand much outside the Solar system
and so the rest of the Galaxy would be available for the uploaded humans
and AIs.

At best upload vs instantiated will be a matter of fashion. But the sheer
efficiency of cyberspace will mean most people will be in cyberspace. And
of course since energy will be the chief source of scarcity, beyond MOSHs
with some capital, most uploads wouldn't be able to afford being
instantiated - - - it'd just cost too much.
On Jun 23, 2013 4:53 PM, "Alan Grimes" <ALONZOTG at verizon.net> wrote:

> Tomaz Kristan wrote:
>> I don't think, Mr. Grimes, a Jurassic Park you are proposing is very
>> likely.
>> I don't think, the concept of the museum under the sky is that good.
>> Nobody would want to live there.
> My contention is that 96% of the existing human population would prefer to
> live the way they are now, with only modest upgrades.
> The only way to change that number is to apply force.
> The uploaders claim that adoption of uploading will be 100%, any hold-outs
> being sacrificed.
> Therefore I presume that the uploaders intend to apply force.
> That's what happens in chapter 1 of part 2 of my story. The bulk of the
> story will be a catalog of the nightmares which follow, in each case
> explaining every choice I make as an author using in-line footnotes.
> As I have said before, I want to identify the latest, best vision of
> uploading in order to ensure that I'm actually tilting at the dragon
> instead of the scarecrow that could be claimed to be obsolete. (the
> SL4-noids do that... They claim their only published works are obsolete and
> not worth arguing over...)
> Furthermore, there is something extremely wrong here. Why have all of the
> uploaders shut up? Where are all the brave visions? Where is the discussion
> of what comes after? I remember there being a great deal more documentation
> ten years ago. Where did it all go? Could it be that the uploaders have
> started to meet push-back and have gone to ground? Could it be that the
> uploaders have finally felt the shame of going to their parents and telling
> them the good news that they will be replaced my a digital version of
> themselves?
> Seriously. we need to Talk about this. This situation of of you telling me
> that I'm going to be dead and uploaded is not a dialog.
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