[ExI] DNA India: The transhumanity timeline

BillK pharos at gmail.com
Mon Jun 24 14:30:16 UTC 2013

On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 4:32 AM, Eugen Leitl  wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 10:30:31PM +0100, BillK wrote:
>> Because the Matrix changes everything.
>> Once we achieve mind-linked posthumans the definition of 'individual'
>> gets rewritten.
> No, it doesn't. Organisation is substrate-invariant.

So, you think that a million intelligences (equivalent) existing in a
small sphere of computronium will not be organised much different from
present human society?

Even society in the stages approaching this phase will be changing in
ways that we can't really contemplate.

> But there will be far more species than than we have now.
> More diversity, more diversity in behavior.

Posthumans have the power to diverge, but they also have the power to
converge towards the optimum. Higher intelligences will probably value
more efficient computation and seize on each improvement as it

To me you seem to hold some contradictory opinions. (Not unusual, most
people do).  :)

You seem to have an emotional attachment to the Star Trek style of
humans (or solid state copies) rampaging across the galaxy. I see the
appeal, but to me logic seems to indicate that future won't happen.
You also like uploading, computronium, solid-state AIs, etc. but you
seem to think that once humans upload into a ball of fast computronium
that they won't much like it there and return to the slow outside

I go along with Keith's thinking, that fast processing intelligences
won't travel in the (to them) dead outside universe. A step further is
that fast processing intelligences linked inextricably in a
computronium universe won't even consider the idea of leaving. It
would be like dying to them.


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