[ExI] europeans say yanks are spying

spike spike66 at att.net
Fri Oct 25 15:52:51 UTC 2013

>... On Behalf Of Eugen Leitl
>...Subject: Re: [ExI] europeans say yanks are spying

On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 12:08:22AM +0100, Anders Sandberg wrote:

>>... Of course intelligence agencies are up to a lot of surveillance... 
>> ... they are signs that a government is no longer in full control over
their agencies.

>...This is a common narrative, but I doubt it ever was true.

Both the IRS and the NSA are under the executive branch purview.  Obama told
us last week that he learned the HealthCare.gov site is catastrophe from
reading it in the newspaper.  That story sounded familiar.  Then I recalled
he told us he first learned about the IRS targeting his political
adversaries (the party which controls the house of reps) from a newspaper.
He learned about gun running to Mexico that way too.  And the DoJ scandal,
and the NSA snooping.  This represents either an attempted cover-up or an
epic breakdown in the executive branch command and control structure.

Just for fun, take a listen to Jon Stewart's take on it, the first video of
the two:


Why that grumpy old conservative, he probably sneaks away to Tea Party
meetings in disguise.


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