[ExI] Fwd: Paper on "Detecting Qualia" presentation at 2015 MTA conference

Rafal Smigrodzki rafal.smigrodzki at gmail.com
Mon Feb 2 05:22:36 UTC 2015


On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 11:18 PM, Brent Allsop <brent.allsop at canonizer.com>
wrote:

  If you ever discover any detectable property that produces redness, that
you didn't know had a redness quality, before, your previous theory will
have been falsified and you must then simply alter your sets of necessary
and sufficient detectable properties, to include the new property.

### So you say the quality of redness is possessed by any physical object
(whether glutamate or not glutamate) that produces the perception of
redness.

How is that not a circular argument?

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> No, the prediction is that as long as you have not replaced the binding
> neuron, nothing you present to it, will ever say and know something has a
> redness quality, without real redness.  In other words, without real
> glutamate, you will not be able to throw the switch, between the simluated
> glutamate, and the real thing, and reproduce the behavior saying the
> simulated glutamate is the same as the real thing.


### Almost all neurons are binding neurons. The neurons that construct the
perception of redness are in the V4 area, and respond the same both to
physiological (reflectance) and certain non-physiological (monochromator)
stimuli. Redness does not exist as a property below the V4 area. Most
cortical neurons have glutamatergic synapses but only V4 neurons use
glutamatergic transmission to construct the quale of redness.

Glutamate is a transparent, easily crystallizable substance, and produces a
pleasant taste when applied to umami receptors in the mouth. It has no
"redness" quality.

Rafa
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