[ExI] [tt] Identity thread again

BillK pharos at gmail.com
Mon Mar 23 19:24:55 UTC 2015

On 22 March 2015 at 22:00, Rafal Smigrodzki wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 1:34 PM, BillK <pharos at gmail.com> wrote:
>> So long as there is only one identity (human, robot, upload, etc.)
>> that thinks it is Rafal, then I don't see a problem.  But if you are
>> thinking about thousands of versions, competing to build the 'best'
>> Rafal, then there is a problem.
> ### Why? Copy-clans engaging in cooperative self-improvement sound like a
> great idea. Probably there wouldn't be one "best" me but rather hundreds of
> various specialized versions, probably buying and selling cognitive modules
> from other clans.
>> Who owns the original identity? (And all its rights and possessions).
>> And if everybody does this..........
> ### Many approaches could be taken to constructing the legal system dealing
> with copies. Finding rules that work doesn't seem like a complicated
> problem, although finding the most efficient rules might take some effort.

Obviously if there is more than one 'Rafal' then the situation is more
complicated.  :)

One 'Rafal' owns all their resources and takes all the decisions. No
problem with having lots of sub-routines that deal with specific
functions or learn new techniques. Just like present day humans. Or an
upload mind with many non-conscious AI robot agents. (I like this

But these sub-routines are not conscious 'people'. New agents can be
created as required, altered, temporarily put to sleep, or deleted. No
worries. But it is unethical to do similar actions with 'people'.

If you create many conscious 'Rafal' persons then they all have equal
rights to continued existence and to control the original Rafal
resources. So you would need some sort of bureaucracy (United
Nations?) to reach agreement on developments, spending, research,
investments, etc. This looks cumbersome to me. And each 'Rafal' feels
poorer by having to share resources and perhaps have their preferences
over-ruled by the majority. Though if manyl are creating additional
resources, there should be minimal resource restrictions.
But I doubt if libertarians would prefer this 'hive-mind' option.

Another option is to create individual entities (based on Rafal code)
and set them free to survive as best they can. But this is not really
creating Rafal copies. More like children with a family resemblance,
but with some being very different.

And then there is the reaction of the rest of humanity to consider.
Some of these options might be considered as almost a declaration of
war. With the usual consequences.


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