[ExI] [Bulk] Re: IQ and beauty

rex rex at nosyntax.net
Wed Oct 7 09:08:40 UTC 2015


Rafal Smigrodzki <rafal.smigrodzki at gmail.com> [2015-10-07 01:45]:
>    On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 9:56 PM, spike <[1]spike66 at att.net> wrote:
> 
>      From: extropy-chat [mailto:[2]extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org] On
>      Behalf Of John Clark
> 
>      >… In most animals the male is more flamboyant than the female but in
>      the case of the peacock the fashion race seems to have gotten out of
>      control…John K Clark
> 
> 
>      Evolution is filled with examples of species which sex-selected
>      themselves to extinction.  Stephen Jay Gould gives the example of a
>      branch of big horned elk.  The last fossils found shows that the antlers
>      were getting larger and larger for the males.  Apparently they got so
>      heavy the females could no longer bear the weight as they were mounted,
>      all while choosing males with the biggest antlers.
> 
>    ### I don't believe it. Does Gould give a rigorous mathematical analysis,
>    with simulations, of how allele frequencies could change to make a
>    heterogeneous population evolve out of this mortal coil all by itself,
>    without external influences and without assumptions that strain
>    credulity? 
>    Here are links to three articles right off the top of a google search:
>    [3]http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v522/n7557/full/nature14419.html
>    [4]http://www.kokkonuts.org/p/Sexy2die4.pdf
>    [5]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1691875/
>    All three point towards sexual selection as generally increasing the
>    likelihood of species survival, and interestingly, the one experimental,
>    controlled study is the most supportive of sexual selection as increasing
>    survival.

As I'm sure you know he doesn't give an analysis. 

>    Gould was a very incompetent scientist with a bully pulpit.

He claimed others fudged their data, but later examination showed
Gould was the fudger and the original work he attacked was correct --
his talent for writing enabled him to achieve an undeserved status in
popular science books. Pros saw him as a fake with a PC agenda (e.g.,
_The Mismeasure of Man_) from the beginning.

-rex
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and unconscious of the causes whereby those actions are determined."
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