[ExI] vote changes and fun

William Flynn Wallace foozler83 at gmail.com
Fri Jun 3 17:29:10 UTC 2016


Yes, that's part of what I said.  bill w

On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 12:23 PM, BillK <pharos at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 3 June 2016 at 17:39, William Flynn Wallace  wrote:
> <snip>
> > However, if a person has been exposed not only to his own point of view
> but
> > the other side as well, a two-sided communication, then he is much
> harder to
> > flip.  If in addition, he has been exposed to counterarguments to the
> other
> > side, then he maybe be impossible even to move one little bit towards the
> > other side, and you may be in danger of making his position even firmer
> > where he is, or even moving him farther away from the other side.  (This
> can
> > go on:  counterarguments to the counterarguments etc.)
> >
> > So - while these discussions of Trump and Hillary are interesting, I'll
> bet
> > any amount that no one's position will be changed.  Y'all are too smart
> and
> > know too much (and, I think, may suspect much more than you know about
> > Hillary).
> >
> > Fun?  Yes.  Persuasive?  Not in a coon's age.
> >
> >
>
>
> See: Backfire Effect
> <http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Backfire_effect>
>
> Quote:
> The backfire effect occurs when, in the face of contradictory
> evidence, established beliefs do not change but actually get stronger.
> The effect has been demonstrated experimentally in psychological
> tests, where subjects are given data that either reinforces or goes
> against their existing biases - and in most cases people can be shown
> to increase their confidence in their prior position regardless of the
> evidence they were faced with.
> In a pessimistic sense, this makes most refutations useless.
> ------------
>
> That's why politics and religion arguments are mostly a waste of time.
>
> BillK
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