[ExI] calling for our exi computer security hipsters, was: RE: Donald Trump

[John Clark]

On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 9:37 PM, spike <spike66 at att.net> wrote:

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>> …Why did she use an account that was clearly marked as coming from the
>> Secretary Of State of the United States?
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> She thought she was immune to hacking.  She thought the hackers would need
> to physically access the server.  She was the one who said in a rare moment
> of honesty “…I don’t know how it works digitally at all…”  I guess she
> assumed it was safe.  She assumed wrong.


I'm not talking about hacking. She didn't just receive E-mail
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she sent them too. When she wrote to her pals at ISIS offering them those
aborted fetus organs why in the world would she want them to come from a
server that had   clintonemail.com as the domain name?? When you can set up
a E-mail account at Gmail or a thousand other places under a phony name in
about 5 minutes it just makes no sense
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​  John K Clark​












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> *From:* extropy-chat [mailto:extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org] *On
> Behalf Of *John Clark
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 07, 2016 5:57 PM
> *To:* ExI chat list <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [ExI] calling for our exi computer security hipsters, was:
> RE: Donald Trump
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> On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 6:31 PM, spike <spike66 at att.net> wrote:
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>
>
> ​> ​>…That Clinton Foundation drips with suspicion.  It enables anyone to
> “donate” while removing their identity.
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>
> ​>…Does the Libertarian Party refuse to accept anonymous donations? What
> law would it violate if they did? And if they've removed their identity how
> would the Clintons know who to bestow these unspecified "favors" to?
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> The Clintons do know: it’s in the yoga routines.  The problem is we don’t
> know.  So we don’t know who our presumptive president owes.  We suspect the
> Saudis, but who knows who else.  That’s what campaign gift law is for.  It
> limits foreign influence on US elections.
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>
> ​> >… Any judge could see that was destruction of evidence and
> obstruction of justice.
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> ​>…Then why hasn't some judge done so?​
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> Heh.  The Clintons are immune from law.  What would happen if you and I
> had our home servers subpoenaed and we just said no?  What would happen if
> we were ordered to hand it over, and we did so after erasing over half of
> the contents?  What if we tried to say any attempt to prosecute us was all
> a down-wing conspiracy?  Shall we ask Jeffrey Sterling?
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>
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> ​> ​>…On the contrary sir.  That information on the government secret
> email server is carefully archived and can be accessed by the government.
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> ​>…Who cares if it's archived if its sealed until the 23'rd century?
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> It comes out of the archive in the early 21st if you are found doing
> anything suspicious.  Reference former CIA officer Sterling.  That secured
> server would have been very convenient for those who had to communicate
> with the Secretary of State.  They could have just mailed her material,
> rather than trying to figure out how to get it across the gap to the
> unsecured server (which requires someone to commit a felony.)  But it would
> have been useless for yoga routines, because the security team would have
> caught it.  So… Mrs. Clinton couldn’t use it.  She never did.  Never even
> activated the account.
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> >…The government has documents from the first world war that can't be
> seen because they're still Top Secret…
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> People with top secret clearances catch you.
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> >…And when Hillary wanted to give instructions to her drug mules or sell
> organs from aborted fetuses to ISIS why did she go through all this mail
> server stuff, why didn't she just open a Gmail account with a phony name?
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> Because the Feds watch foreign suspects?
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> >…Why did she use an account that was clearly marked as coming from the
> Secretary Of State of the United States?
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>
> She thought she was immune to hacking.  She thought the hackers would need
> to physically access the server.  She was the one who said in a rare moment
> of honesty “…I don’t know how it works digitally at all…”  I guess she
> assumed it was safe.  She assumed wrong.
>
>
>
> >…I think Hillary was guilty of security laziness…
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> This I agree with, however, when you have those clearances working with
> that level of information, security laziness is a felony.  They remind you
> of that fact every day, every time you long on.
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>
>
> >… that's not a insignificant oversight and she deserves criticism for it…
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> I see.  Would you and I deserve criticism if we committed a felony?
> Perhaps by our cellmate Bubba, the lonely car thief who carried away a
> Volkswagen on his back?  Ja.
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> >…but with Dumb Donald on the rampage we need to get a little perspective…
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> Indeed sir.  This is all I am offering: there are more than two choices.
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> ​>…Can you prove you didn't murder somebody last year? I can't prove I
> didn't.​..
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> You don’t need to, nor do I.  When you destroy evidence which is under
> subpoena however, a judge is going to conclude you did it, or you are
> trying to cover for whoever did.
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> ​> ​We have now very plausible reasons to doubt her word that none of it
> leaked.
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> ​>…None of what leaked?
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> The 30,000 yoga routines John!  We don’t even know what that was!  Mrs.
> Clinton broke the law to get rid of it, and convinced staffers to risk
> prison to aid and abet that action.
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> >… Who was it leaked to?
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> We don’t know.  That’s the point of all this.
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>
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> >… Exactly what information are we talking about?​
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> We who are being asked to vote for this person are not allowed to have
> that info.  But the bad guys might already have it.  But we don’t know
> which bad guys, or what they intend to do with it.
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> ​>>… ​Selling State Department favors is the people’s business.
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> ​>…What favors were sold?
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> We don’t know.  That’s the point.  The information was destroyed.
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> >… Who were they sold to?
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> We don’t know.
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> >… How much did they cost?​
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> Yoga routines John.  We don’t know any of this stuff.  We are told to shut
> up and vote.
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> >…Look Spike I'm not the world's biggest Clinton family fan either and I
> don't want to come off sounding like a apologist for Hillary, but when were
> faced with Donald babbling about building a wall, deporting 11 million
> people, encouraging Saudi Arabia to develop Nuclear Weapons and defaulting
> on the national debt I just can't get outraged over a blowjob and some
> silly mail server…
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> Ja me too man, ja to all.  I am still in utter shock that we ended up with
> these two as our major party choices.  I am stunned.  I just wasn’t paying
> attention, and had one of those reverse nightmare experiences.  Sometimes
> you wake up with a jolt from a really scary dream, and oh, OK no problem.
> This time there was nothing wrong with the dream, but I woke up to a really
> terrifying reality.
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> spike
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