[ExI] Repudiating the national debt

William Flynn Wallace foozler83 at gmail.com
Wed May 18 17:42:28 UTC 2016

Trump’s political success is a textbook example of the triumph of style
over substance even among people who like to think of themselves as logical
and scientific; it doesn’t matter if his facts are dead wrong or his ideas
imbecilic or even suicidal as long as they’re said loud enough and with
enough conviction. When Donald puts on his smug Mussolini face what
Extropian can resist his Alpha Male charms even if he wants to kick over
the table, trash civilization, and restart from square one with Og the
Caveman? Well I know of one Extropian that can resist and isn't mesmerized
by Trump. I wonder if there are two.

 John K Clark

The reason you don't see any comments from me is that I am with you all the
way.  You have said nothing that I disagree with and the ways you have
phrased it.  If anything you are too soft on Trump.  I don't get it
either.  My area is personality - persona means 'mask'.  What's behind
Trump's mask?  Nothing.
No substance, just style.  The more outrageous the better, it seems.
Rabble rouser.

bill w

On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 9:49 AM, Anders Sandberg <anders at aleph.se> wrote:

> On 2016-05-16 07:32, Dan TheBookMan wrote:
>>  What actions can we take? Anders brought up, for raising the likelihood
>> of nuclear war, moving to Tasmania. Is there a Tasmania for something like
>> world economic collapse?
> The reason for Tasmania in the case of nuclear war is that it is (1) far
> away from any primary target, (2) the bad effects in nuclear winter
> scenarios look like they are attenuated down there, (3) looks like it is
> self-sufficient enough to have a good chance.
> The economic counterpart would be an economy (1) not directly involved in
> the triggering damage (Chinese banking, Greek government debt, US national
> debt default...), (2) not strongly linked to the systemic risk, and (3)
> able to run when the rest of the world is a mess.
> The tricky thing is that if you want to be a part of the efficient,
> globalized market you will have to give up on (2). There is a premium to be
> paid for independence.
> Looking at the world bank data and running a correlation on the GDP
> growth, the most decoupled (correlation -0.51 with the world economy) is...
> Afghanistan. Second place, -0.29: Libanon. Followed by Sudan, Haiti and
> Myanmar. Lovely places.
> But in a global economic meltdown I suspect they would be robust since
> their miserableness makes losses smaller and local resiliency more likely.
> Still, much depends on if they have dependencies not covered by this.
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