[ExI] Past and current extropy topics

William Flynn Wallace foozler83 at gmail.com
Thu Nov 17 17:20:00 UTC 2016


Thanks.  Is there a way to read it without sharing all my info?  bill w

On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 6:20 PM, Keith Henson <hkeithhenson at gmail.com>
wrote:

> https://www.academia.edu/777381/Evolutionary_psychology_memes_and_the_
> origin_of_war
>
> An earlier version was up on kuro5hin.org.  Unfortunately when that
> web site went down for good, the version was lost.  If any of you
> happen to have saved a copy, I would appreciate you sending me one.
> http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2006/4/17/194059/296
> Best wishes,
>
> Keith
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 1:03 PM, William Flynn Wallace
> <foozler83 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Evolutionary psychology is another topic.  It's interesting that a 10
> > year old paper I wrote is still seeing a lot of downloads.
> >
> > Would you please provide a link for your paper?  Anything on psychology I
> > would be interested in.  bill w
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 2:25 PM, Keith Henson <hkeithhenson at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> If you want a summary of what was discussed back in the early days of
> >> the list, it's hard to beat Charles Stross's Accelerando.  He was on
> >> the list, might still be for all I know.
> >>
> >> Computronium, Matrioshka brain, planet disintegrating, it's all there.
> >> Even the exchanges between Hans Maravec and me about the merits of
> >> cryonics vs authors being reconstructed from their works was turned
> >> into a plot element toward the end.
> >>
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrioshka_brain
> >>
> >> The current topic is that we might have seen one of them.  Tabby's
> >> star radiates no excess IR in our direction, and the light from this
> >> star has dimmed by 15 percent in the last 100 years, not counting the
> >> huge dips Kepler saw.
> >>
> >> Are we looking at something natural or are we looking at an alien
> >> megastructure?  A few months before the first paper on KIC8462852, I
> >> published a design that just happened to radiate the waste heat from a
> >> power satellite solar north/south.  Observers looking edge on at a
> >> system full of these would not see the IR.  If you make the case that
> >> aliens are dimming the star, what are they doing with the energy?
> >> Even making the case that the power satellite band is only blocking 1%
> >> of the star's light, that's a lot of energy.  What could they be doing
> >> with it?  At 3% per year growth in energy, use, how far does that put
> >> them ahead of us?
> >>
> >> Perhaps aliens have another way to cope with waste heat.  In theory
> >> you could dump it down a black hole.  We don't think the universe is
> >> filled with Dyson spheres because we don't see a lot of IR.  But it
> >> aliens have a way to get rid of waste heat besides radiating it, that
> >> could be the answers to the missing mass problem.
> >>
> >> If this isn't enough, there is a group that claims to have seen
> >> spectral shifts in the Sloan data for a couple of hundred stars in
> >> classes similar to that of the Sun.  They make a case that the cause
> >> is big lasers and that it might be attempts to communicate in ways
> >> that make it cheap on the receiver end.
> >>
> >> I have argued that the natural course for intelligence is to speed up,
> >> which has the effect of inflating the distances between stars beyond
> >> reason.  Still, if this is the background cause for what we see out
> >> there, why are there no exceptions?  I.e., why are they not here?  Is
> >> the physics that restrictive?
> >>
> >> It's a topic which seems to have little interest here but the whole
> >> business of moving into space  was, long ago, an extropian topic.  I
> >> think there are only two people who are on this list and power
> >> satellite economics.  Now there is a chance that (as a solution to
> >> energy and carbon) it might be done.
> >>
> >> Evolutionary psychology is another topic.  It's interesting that a 10
> >> year old paper I wrote is still seeing a lot of downloads.  Could a
> >> political political party be based on EP?
> >>
> >> Finally, are we living in the base reality or a simulation?  This
> >> isn't exactly an extropian question though it has been discussed here.
> >>
> >>
> >> Best wishes,
> >>
> >> Keith
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