[ExI] Humans losing freewill

William Flynn Wallace foozler83 at gmail.com
Sun Nov 20 00:02:12 UTC 2016


your actions are neither random nor determined.
Stathis Papaioannou

I agree that no action is random, but maintain that all actions are
determined.  bill w

On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 5:13 PM, Stathis Papaioannou <stathisp at gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>
> On 20 November 2016 at 05:29, William Flynn Wallace <foozler83 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> (sorry, I did it again - sent before I was ready)
>>
>> I just want to know what the hell the term means.
>>
>> John K Clark ​
>>
>> I suspect, without any evidence at all, that it comes from Christianity.
>> If we are always doing God's will because that's the way God set it up,
>> then there is no room for sin, and sin is the basis of the religion:  Adam
>> and Eve sinned and it has to be their choice or there is no justification
>> for eviction from Eden.
>>
>> Add to it the doctrine that their sin infected every single human since,
>> and we have original sin; ergo, babies are born lacking a state of grace
>> (necessary to go to heaven) and must be saved
>>  by their own choice.(here sects disagree about baptism, immersion, etc.)
>>
>> So free will is necessary for the very bases of this religion.
>>
>> Best I can do, I think.  Consult a philosophical dictionary for more.
>>
>> I don't believe in any of it.  "I did not mean to do that" means "I wish
>> I had not done that".
>>
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>
> That explanation doesn't help. The problem is that "free will" is either
> trivial: you do what you want to do, if you wanted to do something
> different you would have, you're not sure what you are actually going to do
> until you've done it; or incoherent: your actions are neither random nor
> determined.
>
>
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> Stathis Papaioannou
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