[ExI] Humans losing freewill

[Stathis Papaioannou]

On 20 November 2016 at 13:05, John Clark <johnkclark at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, William Flynn Wallace <foozler83 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ​> ​
>> I agree that no action is random, but maintain that all actions are
>> determined.
>
>
> ​There is nothing in logic that demands every event have a cause, quantum
> mechanics says true randomness exists and from experiment, specifically the
> observation that Bell's inequality is violated, we know that AT LEAST one
> of the following 3 concepts about the universe must be untrue:
>
> 1) Determinism (everything has a cause and thus nothing is random)
>
> 2) Locality (the
> future can not change the past and distance diminishes the strength and
> speed of an effect
> ​)​
>
> 3) Realism (
> things are in a definite state even if they
> ​are not being observed) ​
>
> I'd like all three
> ​ ​
> ​to be true
> but if I had to give up one of them (and I do)
> ​ then​
> I'd give up determinism
> ​;
> ​t​
> o my mind it would be the least disturbing, and giving up
> ​realism​
>  would be the most disturbing
> ​.​
>
> ​But
>  the universe may not agree with me so for all I know all 3 may be false
> ​.
>
> ​If ​
> the Everett
> ​
> interpretation
> ​ is true then ​
> from a point of view that
> ​ can
> not
> ​
> exist, like the viewpoint
> ​
> of
> ​ ​
> ​
> somebody
> ​
> standing outside
> ​
> of
> ​
> the multiverse looking
> ​
> back in
> ​
> at it
> ​,
> all 3 of those attributes, locality
> ​
> ​
> determinism and realism,
> ​
> can exist together;
> ​
> but
> ​say I said ​
> that is a viewpoint that can not exist
> ​.​
> ​
> So
> ​that's like
> saying if 2+2=5 then 2+2+2=7.
> ​
> From the viewpoint of any observer anywhere in the multiverse ( in other
> words from any possible
> ​
> observer) determinism locality
> ​
> and realism cannot all be true, at least one must be wrong.
> ​
>

The latter is what Bruno Marchal has called the "first person
indeterminacy". The multiverse is entirely deterministic, but an observer
embedded in the multiverse will see intractable randomness, because he does
not know in which branch he will end up, and not even God can tell him.

-- 
Stathis Papaioannou
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