[ExI] alpha zero

[Stathis Papaioannou]

On 8 December 2017 at 11:57, William Flynn Wallace <foozler83 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I suspect that if we were to look at what philosophers say about it, they
> would tell us that they really did not know for sure what the word 'know'
> means.  Only the toad knows (Alice in Wonderland).
>
> We may never know how the unconscious works.  It is not meant (whatever
> that word means) to be conscious.  Duh.
>
> "It's as if they are doing this when they think."  This will be as close
> as we can get.  A model.
>
> So it may be that studying people's minds so that we can program computers
> to copy the way they work is not the best strategy to advance computer
> thinking.
>

It may also be that trying to achieve true "understanding" is a red herring
- behaving *as if* it understands is sufficient, and at bottom what humans
do.


> I suspect the Singularity is pretty far off.
>
> bill w
>
> On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 6:32 PM, Dave Sill <sparge at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 5:30 PM, John Clark <johnkclark at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> ​
>>> On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 2:02 PM, Dylan Distasio <interzone at gmail.com>
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>> > ​
>>>  Deep learning neural nets appear to bear little resemblance to how
>>> biological nervous systems actually work.
>>>
>>> ​As far as Chess​
>>>
>>> ​Go and Shogi are concerned it works far better than ​
>>> biological nervous systems
>>> ​.​
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Yes, in simple, well-defined domains. Computers are incredibly fast at
>> math but that doesn't mean they're math geniuses. I can't do billions of
>> floating point operations per second, but I can explain to a child in terms
>> it will understand what "addition" means. A CPU has no understanding of
>> what it does. Likewise, AlphaGO has no understanding of the games it plays.
>> It can't explain its strategy--it has none, it just "knows" what usually
>> works--and that's excessively anthropomorphic, it knows nothing: it just
>> does what it was programmed to do.
>>
>> It a clever and useful technique but it's a far cry from a general
>> intelligence that can interact directly with the world where the rules
>> aren't all known, and communicate with other intelligent entities, evaluate
>> novel situations, and solve complex problems.
>>
>> -Dave
>>
>>
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