[ExI] Dark Energy and Causal Cells

[William Flynn Wallace]

Bill W wrote:

> ?How can you be sure of anything?

Stuart wrote - It's not about being sure. It can't be so in our
fundamentally quantum universe. It's about probabilities not certainty.
It's about constantly updating your model to fit any new data. Your brain
evolved to learn, not to know.

No physical theory is ever guaranteed to correspond to the real world.
Such are only contigently true until a phenomenon occurs that violates
their premises or until a theory of greater scope or accuracy comes along.

bill w replies - The security of certainty does not belong in science -
agreed.  However, nonscientists seek it with a vengeance.  I'd argue that
it is the basis of most religions.  Neurotics seek it desperately so they
can quit worrying and dithering about decisions that are anything but
clear.  Being told about probability is the last thing a nonscientist wants
to hear.  If you don't know for sure, then what do you know?

Stuart's explanation is fine but it's not what people want.  Certainty is
what they want and they can't get it from science, so they go elsewhere.
Of course they wind up delusional and irrational.
I guess that's the best we can hope for until evolution is kicked up a
notch with germline engineering.

On Sat, Dec 23, 2017 at 2:22 AM, Stuart LaForge <avant at sollegro.com> wrote:

> Bill W wrote:
>
> > ?How can you be sure of anything?
>
> It's not about being sure. It can't be so in our fundamentally quantum
> universe. It's about probabilities not certainty. It's about constantly
> updating your model to fit any new data. Your brain evolved to learn, not
> to know.
>
> No physical theory is ever guaranteed to correspond to the real world.
> Such are only contigently true until a phenomenon occurs that violates
> their premises or until a theory of greater scope or accuracy comes along.
>
> Will Steinberg wrote:
>
> >> I talk a lot here about yin and yang.  Not trying to be
> >> hand-wavy...only inasmuch as all empirical observations in the modern
> >> western oeuvre still are based on, er, turtles.
>
> There does not seem to be any upper limit on the size and mass of black
> holes. The universe could be an infinite swarm of black holes inside
> bigger black holes all of them constantly colliding and merging. Each
> black hole with it's own internal vacuum state / zero point energy, each
> successively larger one at a lower energy level but never actually zero.
>
> Event horizons might simply be boundaries between different vacuum states.
>
> >> Your interaction of 2 black holes is the creator of our universe of
> >> duality: consuming versus consumed.  Inwards-pulling versus
> >> outwards-seeking.  Death versus life.  Entropy versus extropy.
>
> It is infinitely recursive dualities all the way down.
>
>
> >> Consciousness, aka God, is the symmetry for death.  The stuff going
> >> outwards from the singularity.  Perhaps.  Makes sense to me.
>
> A bit metaphysical for my tastes but sure why not?
>
> >> Still not sure where the beginning is.
>
> Due to your brain's limited processing speed, your visual "now" is 80,000
> nanoseconds in the past plus one nanosecond in the past per foot the event
> is away from you. It's even further in the past if you are talking about
> your auditory or tactile now.
>
> Furthermore you cannot distinguish the temporal order or causal
> relationship between any two events less than 80,000 nanoseconds apart.
>
> If there can be no sharply defined and meaningful now, then how could
> there be a sharp meaningful beginning? Therefore there is no beginning,
> there is no now, and there is no end.
>
> Just continuous relative time with one moment blending imperceptibly into
> the next. Running at different rates for different observers and in
> different orthogonal directions for observers in different causal cells.
>
> Stuart LaForge
>
>
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