[ExI] it's the yoga! was: RE: The Doomsday Clock

[William Flynn Wallace]

That's just  a few minutes work  dave

Well, Dave, I do believe you have made a convert.  Quite a bit of evidence
there, eh?

It does, however, make me wonder just how effective it is.  In Britain I
think that they went through a period where everyone had to be Catholic,
and then (or vice versa), could not be Catholic - some of this went on in
Europe too.  And why would anyone not take up their old religions and
language when the heat to conform lessened?

But it also reminds me of the evil done by the Muslims, forcefully
converting people to Islam.  And the Jews in southern Iberia, etc.

At a much lower level of evil, the changing of 'foreign' names for
immigrants at Ellis Island - say from Wallechinsky to Wallace.

Ah - we are not better nor worse than anyone else, are we?

What history we study in school has little relationship to the whole
picture.

bill w


On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 9:39 AM, Dave Sill <sparge at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 9:51 AM, William Flynn Wallace <
> foozler83 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Of course, you say?  How about some evidence, not a 'blame it all on the
>>> white man' kind of attitude?
>>>
>>
> Sure, ok.
>
>  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Native_
> Americans_in_the_United_States
>
>     *In the Spanish colonization of the Americas, the policy of Indian
> Reductions resulted in the forced conversions to Catholicism of the
> indigenous people in northern Nueva España. They had long-established
> spiritual and religious traditions and theological beliefs. What developed
> during the colonial years and since has been a syncretic Catholicism that
> absorbed and reflected indigenous beliefs; the religion changed in New
> Spain.*
>
> *  ...*
>
> *  After the Indian wars in the late 19th century, the United States
> established Native American boarding schools, initially run primarily by or
> affiliated with Christian missionaries.[100] At this time American society
> thought that Native American children needed to be acculturated to the
> general society. The boarding school experience often proved traumatic to
> Native American children, who were forbidden to speak their native
> languages, taught Christianity and denied the right to practice their
> native religions, and in numerous other ways forced to abandon their Native
> American identities[101] and adopt European-American culture.*
>
>   http://blogs.baylor.edu/nativeamericantreatment/
>
>     *Not only did the U.S. government seek to squelch Native American
> uprisings, it also sought to stop those cultural traits from being passed
> to younger generations by assimilating them in boarding schools. Even
> religious groups felt the need to assimilate and convert these young Native
> Americans, and they publicized the need for money to pay them in journals
> that were circulated. These schools took in Native American children and
> attempted to erase every trace of their former Native American life. They
> received an American education and were also given American clothes. While
> at the schools, the Native Americans were required to perform manual labor
> to contribute to the upkeep of the school, but were not allowed to be
> compensated for their work.*
>
>   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_civil_rights
>
>     *Over the last five centuries, "Christianity has made enormous
> inroads into Native society."[9] Many religious Native Americans today
> voluntarily practice Christianity, both Protestantism and Roman
> Catholicism, or a combination of Christianity and Native religion.[9] There
> was both voluntary and forced conversion; however, not all tribes embraced
> Christianity, nor did all members of tribes.*
>
> *    "Euro-American contact and interactions contributed much to Indian
> marginality and the disruption and destruction of traditional customs and
> even the aboriginal use of psychoactive substances. This process was noted
> in the 1976 Final Report to the American Indian Policy Review Commission,
> Task Force Eleven: Alcohol and Drug Abuse.[10]*
>
> *    ...*
>
> *    The Native American religion was initially suppressed by the
> colonists who came from Europe with their own particular goals. These
> included "God, gold, and glory”[13] and this conflicted with the Native
> American way of life. From the time of Columbus’s “discovery” of America,
> Native American religion has routinely been suppressed by English, Spanish,
> and other European colonists.[14]*
>
> *    ...*
>
> *    During the Progressive Era from the 1890s to the 1920s, a
> "quasi-theocracy" reigned in what federal policymakers called "Indian
> Country"; they worked hand-in-hand with churches to impose Christianity
> upon Native Americans "as part of the government’s civilizing project”.[17]
> Keeping in the vein of the colonialists before them, Progressive-Era
> policymakers found no need to separate religious endeavors concerning
> Native Americans from Native political policy.[18] The government provided
> various religious groups with funds to accomplish Native American
> conversion. It was during this time that the government “discouraged or
> imposed bans on many forms of traditional religious practices, including
> the Sun Dance, use of peyote in ceremonial settings and observance of
> potlatch rituals.”[17] The Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA), or the "Indian
> Office", as it was then called, played a role in the Christianization of
> Native Americans. Their boarding schools, often staffed by missionaries,
> removed Native children from the tribe and away from the influence of their
> cultures.[17]*
>
> That's just  a few minutes work.
>
> -Dave
>
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