[ExI] it's the yoga! was: RE: The Doomsday Clock

[William Flynn Wallace]

>
> Well, Dave, I do believe you have made a convert.  Quite a bit of evidence
> there, eh?  bill w
>

Cool. I've been debating things on the 'net too long to have any
expectation of conversion. Usually my goal is swaying undecided lurkers.
:-)  dave

Well, when I am wrong, in this case merely very ignorant, I try to get on
the right side of the evidence.  And since a relatively new philosophy of
mine says that I should thank those who correct me, thanks!  billw

The question is how can we change ourselves so that stops and doesn't
happen again?  dave

Now we are in my area.  I have found it very, very hard to change a
person.  Their emotions are supporting their behavior and those are
difficult to deal with.  Now you want to change human nature.  I think you
will have to wait on genetic engineering for that.  I am a total cynic
about getting people to do good, avoid bad, however those are defined.

Maybe we have made some tiny baby steps towards solutions to human nature:
the United Nations, the sanctions.  Start with countries:  don't deal with
them if they practice genocide and other horrible things.  Hit them where
they hurt:  economics/ money.  OK, so the worst examples may have to be
dealt with by the military - preferably the UN military.

Although I am not religious, I truly wish that religion could solve some of
these problems, but studies show that nonreligious people are just as moral
as those who are religious.

bill w

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 12:11 PM, Dave Sill <sparge at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 12:35 PM, William Flynn Wallace <
> foozler83 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Well, Dave, I do believe you have made a convert.  Quite a bit of
>> evidence there, eh?
>>
>
> Cool. I've been debating things on the 'net too long to have any
> expectation of conversion. Usually my goal is swaying undecided lurkers. :-)
>
> It does, however, make me wonder just how effective it is.  In Britain I
>> think that they went through a period where everyone had to be Catholic,
>> and then (or vice versa), could not be Catholic - some of this went on in
>> Europe too.  And why would anyone not take up their old religions and
>> language when the heat to conform lessened?
>>
>
> Sure, but that's easier when you've got a rich written history and maybe
> some elders who remember the old ways. In the case of the Native Americans,
> the combination of disease, war, relocation, and assimilation made that
> nearly impossible. And even if they could resurrect their language and
> religion, there was no way they could return to their old ways of life due
> to not being on suitable land, loss of bison herds, property ownership and
> fences preventing nomadic living.
>
> But it also reminds me of the evil done by the Muslims, forcefully
>> converting people to Islam.  And the Jews in southern Iberia, etc.
>>
>> At a much lower level of evil, the changing of 'foreign' names for
>> immigrants at Ellis Island - say from Wallechinsky to Wallace.
>>
>> Ah - we are not better nor worse than anyone else, are we?
>>
>> What history we study in school has little relationship to the whole
>> picture.
>>
>
> That's all true. The question is how can we change ourselves so that stops
> and doesn't happen again?
>
> -Dave
>
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