[ExI] science skepticism

William Flynn Wallace foozler83 at gmail.com
Mon Jun 4 18:05:00 UTC 2018


Hey, Spike - what if I don't understand it myself?  I still think it's a
tiny part of the cultural mix.  I think if the 'Indians' don't mind, why
should we?  I don't see any picketing at the Cleveland Indians stadium.
There's no movement to change all the Indian names of rivers, towns,
counties, states, etc.

Taken properly the boy scout ritual is a tribute to the Indians, isn't it?
Atlanta Braves also sees no picketing, though Chief Nockahoma is gone along
with his teepee.

I have been out West and seen dozens of places where the Indians sell their
culture:  rugs, trinkets, everything.  Are they doing something improper?
Nah.

Just write this off as another wacko idea by ultraliberals which will pass
soon - I hope.  If it doesn't and we have to return all lands to the
Indians, we'll have to move back to Europe, eh?
If we keep going the way we are going, maybe that's a good idea.

bill w

On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 12:25 PM, <spike at rainier66.com> wrote:

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> *From:* extropy-chat <extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org> *On Behalf
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> *Subject:* Re: [ExI] science skepticism
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> …  These people must be the same ones who believe in cultural
> appropriation.  …bill w
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> Hi BillW,
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> I would like to understand this better, for we were introduced to it
> recently with respect to a traditional cub scout bridging ceremony.  At age
> 10, cub scouts bridge over to boy scouts in an elaborate ceremony where a
> literal bridge is constructed of wooden poles and rope, where the scouts
> cross.  It is paws on the path to feet on the trail.  If one is into that
> culture, it is a big big deal.  It is taken very seriously.
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> Part of that (in some cases) is to have the adult leader dress up as an
> Indian Chief, as he leads the young scout warrior Akela to manhood.  If you
> don’t know anything about that culture, do let me assure you, it is
> priceless.  So this leader gets up the deerskin outfit, the beads, the
> eagle feathered headset, the works (this costume, used once a year, costs
> more than a good used car.)  Hey, tradition.
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> So now we have people telling us this is cultural appropriation.  But…
> this is cub scout culture.  We honor the Native Americans, even if they are
> called by the now-out-of-fashion term Indians.  Scouting weaves Indians
> into the cultural fabric at every opportunity.  The reasoning behind this
> is that in 1910, when scouting was starting up in America, it was believed
> that Indians had all these outdoor skills, the survival, the this and that,
> and I suppose they did.  So they are written up as larger than life in
> scouting lore.
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> Now we see these traditional societies such as scouts drawn into modern
> culture wars and it isn’t at all clear how to deal with it.  So far, the
> scouts have been continuing with status quo.
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> spike
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