[ExI] A 'libertarian' solution to political bullshit on this list?

[William Flynn Wallace]

The problem as I see it,John, is that you and nobody else can say anything
new about the situation, and nothing new is being said about what to do
about it.  You are crying wolf when everyone can see the wolf.

I can say something new, though:  in my reading of a new psych book I
noticed that while this can be the result of brain damage, it also can
occur naturally:  the person simply cannot be embarrassed.  It is a feeling
that is impossible.  It is not a choice.  I think that explains a lot about
Trump, but we all could have done without knowing it from me, as it is
evident to everyone.   Thus, like all you say and all everyone says, this
post is redundant, and too much redundancy is irritating, right gang?

bill w

On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 1:37 PM John Clark <johnkclark at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 3:17 PM Will Steinberg <steinberg.will at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> *>The list will be DESTROYED by bullshit*. *
>>
>
> Well it certainly seems to be heading in that direction.
>
> *>1) Dedicated posting of a new thread relating to transhumanism every day
>> or every few days, with [H+] at the beginning of the subject line.  Then
>> people can know what threads to stay away from.*
>> *2) Putting [POLITICS] at the beginning of the subject line of political
>> threads.  Again, a way to stay away from toxic threads.*
>>
>
> So a subject that has anything to do with economics or immortality, or the
> future geology or geography of the Earth or the engineering of the galaxy
> or the Fermi Paradox must contain both a [+H] and a [POLITICS] tag. And the
> point of this entire Kabuki dance is to ensure that the Extropian list is
> a safe place for snowflake libertarians where they can be protected from
> inadvertently reading something that might challenge their beliefs, in
> particular their belief in Donald Trump. And don't tell me this isn't about
> Trump, I was on the list when Bill Clinton was presadent and although we
> argued vigorously and sometimes impolitely about which of his policies was
> most wrong nobody suggested such discussions were not relevant to the
> Extropian list or said it was wrong to trash the resident of the White
> House.
>
> *>Do you think there will be positive results from this eventually? *
>>
>
> I don't know. Do you think there will ever be any positive results from
> anything anybody says on this list on ANY topic?
>
>
>> > Seriously, is there *ANYTHING* that will make you stop?
>>
>
> Yes, prove to me that current politics will not have a huge effect on the
> long term structure of the galaxy and possibly the entire universe. Prove
> to me that just one ignorant fool with contempt for factual reality could
> not destroy human civilization in the next 20 minutes.
>
> > *And, to Spike: what is the maximum amount of control you would be
>> comfortable exerting over the list, and have you considered effecting said
>> control?*
>
>
> So you want Spike to become the list censor to make sure everybody is
> comfortable and nobody reading the list will ever be offended by anything.
> I say toughen up, nobody ever died from being offended.
>
> > *Where are the Jupiter Brains?  The cryogenics?  The nanotech?  The
>> AI? *
>>
>
> Those topics should be explored and I've sent quite a few posts about them
> myself, I've certainly written more about them than you have, but never
> forget every one of those ideas  could be rendered entirely moot before
> lunchtime by a reality TV show host who doesn't believe in objective facts
> and hasn't read a book in half a century, not even the one he claims to
> have written.
>
>
>> > *Even Searle's fucking Chinese Room, for chrissakes.*
>>
>
> Good God! Do you really think that is more relevant to thans-humanism than
> current politics?  Searle's Chinese Room may be almost as stupid as Donald
> Trump but at least it can't kill us all before the toadies on Fox And
> Friends can finish their show.
>
> *>Note that being against our insane president is NOT bullshit, *
>
>
> I'm glad to hear you say that. But, although I'm not certain what
> constitutes "void-pissing", you seem to contradict yourself in your very
> next breath:
>
> *"but constant petulant void-pissing with no results (except to drive away
> our best and brightest) is SEVERE bullshit."*
>
> *> Where is Anders?  Damien?  Stefano?  Samantha?  Eugen?  Jeff?
>> Stathis?  Adrian?  Where is Max?  *
>>
>
> I doubt they left because they thought the day to day mental health of the
> Commander In Chief of the armed forces of the USA had no effect on the long
> term fulfilment of Extropian ideas, but if they did then they were not our
> best and brightest.
>
> John K Clark
>
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