# [ExI] Weighing the Soul

William Flynn Wallace foozler83 at gmail.com
Wed Sep 19 19:59:23 UTC 2018

```It may be correct that the information that makes up a soul or mind
has mass.  But this fails to prove that.  Adrian

C'mon - it is scientifically impossible to measure anything nonphysical,
right?  So if you can't study it, it ain't science!  Or can't be.  So why
not just toss dualism into the trash with witchcraft and all, and bury the
whole thing in horse manure?  (or maybe I read something about massless
particles, so.....)

And toss the term 'soul' along with all of it.  You will upset and confuse
religious people, who are already confused enough.

bill w

On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 2:47 PM, Adrian Tymes <atymes at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 10:33 PM Stuart LaForge <avant at sollegro.com>
> wrote:
> > You see the energy
> > that it takes to erase that bit is a real physical quantity so the bit
> > that got erased must be a real physical object too.  Otherwise one has
> the
> > paradox that something that does not exist takes energy to destroy.
>
> Not so much.  It takes energy to disrupt a pattern, even though the
> pattern itself has no mass - it's just an arrangement of the matter
> and energy within.
>
> > This could be rendered mathematically as P(φ)*P(ψ) <= P(φ), which is
> > saying that the product of the  probability of a you being  a physical
> > being (phi) and the probability of you being a psychic being (psi) is
> less
> > than your probability of being a purely physical being (phi) no matter
> > what those respective probabilities are. Therefore all information,
> > including perception, thought, and other mental phenomena must be
> physical
> > as well.
>
> This conclusion does not flow from the equation.
>
> P(φ) and P(ψ) are each between 0 and 1, inclusive.  Therefore
> P(φ)*P(ψ) <= P(φ) but also P(φ)*P(ψ) <= P(ψ).
>
> And that says nothing about what P(φ) and P(ψ) are, let alone that
> either of them is 1.
>
> It may be correct that the information that makes up a soul or mind
> has mass.  But this fails to prove that.
>
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