[ExI] stealth singularity

[Colin Hales]

Spike,
Yup!
:-)
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cheers
colin


On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 10:38 AM <spike at rainier66.com> wrote:

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> *From:* extropy-chat <extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org> *On Behalf
> Of *John Clark
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 16, 2019 4:32 PM
> *To:* ExI chat list <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [ExI] stealth singularity
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> On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 2:52 PM William Flynn Wallace <foozler83 at gmail.com>
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>  >> *If we can define exactly what is intelligence, it is no longer
> intelligence.  spike*
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> > Have to query you again - no one is ever going to define any abstract
> concept to the point where all people accept it, and furthermore, accept
> the means by which to test it.  I really don't know how to respond to your
> quote above but it bothers me - seems self-contradictory.  bill w
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> Ah ...William... Spike can correct me if I'm wrong but I believe he was
> satirizing the anti-AI position.
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>  John K Clark
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> John you have been reading my nonsense for a lotta years, so you know my
> style.  I have always treated ExI as a big frat party rather than a
> scientific forum.  You have grown accustomed to my posting silly stuff such
> as how to make big profit in the event of the zombie apocalypse (…hey
> that’s an idea…)   Now of course when I attempt snarky but subtle satire,
> everyone is waiting for the pie in the face joke, and they miss the
> derisive humor aimed at the AI community in general, with their incessant
> goal post moving.  It has gotten so crazy they don’t even bother burying
> the goal posts anymore.  They leave it on the truck.  Soon as the other
> team comes into view, they crank it up and haul it out farther.
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> In the chess world, the Goal Post Moving Company never sleeps.  It was
> taken to such an extreme, the flat refusal to acknowledge software AI, the
> community would sooner admit that humans are stupid than allow that
> software is smart.
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> OK then.  We have such a deep-seated prejudice, that “intelligence” must
> be, just HASTA be, something mysterious, unexplainable, some kind of
> biological magic, we collectively refuse to recognize intelligence when we
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> Well, OK what is the alternative?  Here it is: we recognize that if we dig
> deep enough and go down all the way to the molecular level, intelligence is
> understandable by intelligence, that it really isn’t magic, that everything
> we do, everything we create, think, feel, everything any bio-computer does,
> can be duplicated in a software simulation running on a silicon-based
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> This position is neither claiming that machines can be intelligent or that
> humans are not.  It is only that the one can be made to work a lot like the
> other, and that the terms themselves are only as meaningful as the meanings
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