[ExI] Update on the Hawaiian observatory shutdown

[SR Ballard]

I have a question. 

> I think whites are trying to get brown points, that is appear less white by championing separatist and racist movements by non-whites. Media and many professors now insinuate it's shameful or at least suspicious to be white, and many react in this way. Also some whites hate elite white pursuits, like pure science, so there is a class dimension to some of the opposition. People are weird.

I do see people doing what you’re saying, but my question is, who is white?

Am I white if I am 1/4 Peruvian (including mostly native descent, not Spaniard)? What if I have cousins with reservation cards (through blood, from our common ancestor)? What if my family is Jewish, and I mean REALLY Jewish, like a lot of my family died in the Holocaust kind of Jewish?

Am I white? I “look” white, sure, but am I actually, or am I “passing”? Does my families deviant morality (derived from working carnivals) make me less “culturally white”?

SR Ballard

> On Sep 14, 2019, at 7:44 PM, Rafal Smigrodzki via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 12:53 AM Stuart LaForge via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>> Quoting Rafal Smigrodzki:
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>> > https://www.civilbeat.org/2019/08/civil-beat-poll-strong-support-for-tmt-but-little-love-for-ige/
>> >
>> > Of note, 44% of native Hawaiians support the telescope while 48% 
>> > oppose it. Also most of the opposition to the telescope, regardless of 
>> > race, is from people under 50 years of age.
>> >
>> > ### Well, yes, exactly what I wrote - lots of Hawaiians are racist  
>> > and use the telescope issue as an excuse to stick it to Haole. 48%  
>> > qualifies as "lots", doesn't it?
>> 
>> I am sure there are plenty of racists of all stripes but the data does  
>> not bear out "sticking it to the haole" as the primary motivation for  
>> opposing the telescope. For one thing, your hypothesis does not  
>> account for the 34% of "haolis" i.e. caucasians who oppose the  
>> telescope.
> 
> ## I think whites are trying to get brown points, that is appear less white by championing separatist and racist movements by non-whites. Media and many professors now insinuate it's shameful or at least suspicious to be white, and many react in this way. Also some whites hate elite white pursuits, like pure science, so there is a class dimension to some of the opposition. People are weird.
> 
> I just started reading Amy Chua's "Political Tribes". Interesting so far. Mainstream Americans and people like me, who have difficulty warming up to group causes in general, tend to underestimate the power of ethnic sentiments. It looks like normal people in their natural habitat tend to naturally hate each other over trifles. Even if I don't have the capability to develop a national attachment, I realize now that ignoring such propensity is perilous, both at the individual and at the national level. If you don't pay attention in whose neighborhood you set up shop, you may get shot during the next round of riots. If a nation allows too many hostile aliens inside, it will be perverted by the hostility they bring and by the hostility they evoke in the host population. Nice neighborhoods get ruined by the wrong neighbors.
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>> Also, what do astronomers and an internationally-available  
>> telescope have to do with race, caucasian or otherwise?
> 
> ### Big technology, big science - these are white and Asian themes.
> 
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>> The Japanese  
>> and Chinese registered voters are overwhelmingly in support of the  
>> telescope.
> 
> ### Fits the stereotype of Asians being sciency.
> 
> Let me be clear - if there is one pursuit I hold sacred, it is the pursuit of knowledge. It is noble and magnificent to build the temple of truth. Regular hatred I can take in stride but an assault on a major shrine of my faith angers me, perhaps disproportionately.
> 
> Rafal 
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