[ExI] Update on the Hawaiian observatory shutdown

[William Flynn Wallace]

 It looks like normal people in their natural habitat tend to naturally
hate each other over trifles  rafal

Freud called it 'the narcissism of minor differences'
bill w

On Sat, Sep 14, 2019 at 7:48 PM Rafal Smigrodzki via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

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> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 12:53 AM Stuart LaForge via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>> Quoting Rafal Smigrodzki:
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>> https://www.civilbeat.org/2019/08/civil-beat-poll-strong-support-for-tmt-but-little-love-for-ige/
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>> > Of note, 44% of native Hawaiians support the telescope while 48%
>> > oppose it. Also most of the opposition to the telescope, regardless of
>> > race, is from people under 50 years of age.
>> >
>> > ### Well, yes, exactly what I wrote - lots of Hawaiians are racist
>> > and use the telescope issue as an excuse to stick it to Haole. 48%
>> > qualifies as "lots", doesn't it?
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>> I am sure there are plenty of racists of all stripes but the data does
>> not bear out "sticking it to the haole" as the primary motivation for
>> opposing the telescope. For one thing, your hypothesis does not
>> account for the 34% of "haolis" i.e. caucasians who oppose the
>> telescope.
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> ## I think whites are trying to get brown points, that is appear less
> white by championing separatist and racist movements by non-whites. Media
> and many professors now insinuate it's shameful or at least suspicious to
> be white, and many react in this way. Also some whites hate elite white
> pursuits, like pure science, so there is a class dimension to some of the
> opposition. People are weird.
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> I just started reading Amy Chua's "Political Tribes". Interesting so far.
> Mainstream Americans and people like me, who have difficulty warming up to
> group causes in general, tend to underestimate the power of ethnic
> sentiments. It looks like normal people in their natural habitat tend to
> naturally hate each other over trifles. Even if I don't have the capability
> to develop a national attachment, I realize now that ignoring such
> propensity is perilous, both at the individual and at the national level.
> If you don't pay attention in whose neighborhood you set up shop, you may
> get shot during the next round of riots. If a nation allows too many
> hostile aliens inside, it will be perverted by the hostility they bring and
> by the hostility they evoke in the host population. Nice neighborhoods get
> ruined by the wrong neighbors.
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>> Also, what do astronomers and an internationally-available
>> telescope have to do with race, caucasian or otherwise?
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> ### Big technology, big science - these are white and Asian themes.
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>> The Japanese
>> and Chinese registered voters are overwhelmingly in support of the
>> telescope.
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> ### Fits the stereotype of Asians being sciency.
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> Let me be clear - if there is one pursuit I hold sacred, it is the pursuit
> of knowledge. It is noble and magnificent to build the temple of truth.
> Regular hatred I can take in stride but an assault on a major shrine of my
> faith angers me, perhaps disproportionately.
>
> Rafal
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