[ExI] ccp struggles

Wed Apr 15 01:38:55 UTC 2020

OK, I get it, Spike, though I think the reference to China may not work
very well.  Asians are conformists and authoritarians, highly unlike
ourselves.  They are also worshipers of the generations older than them.
Not natural rebels to say the very least.

Balkanization of America, eh?  Now I wonder why it didn't happen.  No one
was holding a gun to the heads of the people in the states which decided to
join America.  I am very short in the history knowledge dept.  Why did for
instance, Utah join the U.S.?  Or pick another one.  Help with Indian
wars?

bill w

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 8:29 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <
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> Spike, I am lost.  Describe for me the scenario where hundreds of millions
> of Americans are murdered.  That's a number that is at least four times as
> high as any dictator achieved.  Just who is murdering whom?  bill w
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> never been unified.  Imagine endless tribal warfare, a continuous power
> struggle, an enormously scaled up version of the South Side of Chicago, the
> baddest part of town.  The USA is sitting on a very valuable piece of real
> estate.  If people had the option to fight over it, they would.  The result
> would be very bad.  Over time, the cumulative body count would be appalling.
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> Bill if you get a chance, talk to someone who is from China and mention
> our civil war.  To us, that was a huge event.  They will talk about that
> kind of thing as something that happens in China, 640k deaths, not so
> unusual.  The Great Leap, which was recent had a body count of an estimated
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> We could have had that kind of thing happening on the American continent.
> But we didn’t.  Had the Chinese citizens been armed, they may have been
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> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 7:05 PM William Flynn Wallace <foozler83 at gmail.com>
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> The main reason we won the Revolutionary war was France.  bill w
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> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 4:56 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <
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> >…You think that there would have been millions of murders in America if
> there were no “right to bear arms”??
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> We would never have had the War of 1812.  It would be the War of 1795, and
> the British would have won.  We would be subjects of the queen today,
> bowing and meekly paying any tax she wished to dictate to us.
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> >…Why is America so different to other countries in this regard?
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> America was born out of overthrowing tyranny.  It is in our DNA.  That’s
> why we don’t have runaway government power here.
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> When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.  When the
> government fears the people, there is liberty.
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> Which do you prefer?  Me too.
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> is if it doesn't fit the facts it must be abandoned…
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> John feel free to abandon any theory you wish.  That is why we have a
> second amendment, for those who wish to abandon the theory that Americans
> have rights.
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> *> There are Americans who will argue Americans’ civil rights can be
> rescinded at the government’s whim,*
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> >…That is true. I've even heard of an American who I believe happens to be
> the head of the government's executive branch say "*I have the right to
> do anything*" and "*I have the right to do a lot of things that people
> don’t even know about*" and "*The federal government has absolute power*"
> and "*When somebody is the president of the United States their authority
> is total*." But we have rednecks with shotguns so we have no need to
> worry.  John K Clark
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> It worked: the federal government did not take over and assume dictatorial
> control of the country or violate Americans’ constitutional rights.
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> Aren’t you glad we have a constitution?  So am I.
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