[ExI] Atheism

Will Steinberg steinberg.will at gmail.com
Mon Apr 20 01:12:08 UTC 2020

Said conclusions are why I switched.  I think it's illogical to believe
that two hemispheres of a brain can form a consciousness, but not two

To look at it another way, does one consider their brain themself?  What
about brain cells necessary for computation but not making the computations
themselves?  What about further reaches of the nervous system that exchange
information with the brain?  What about the rest of the body, like your
arm?  What about a controllable prosthetic arm?  What about a hammer you
hold in it?  What about a diary you store memories in?  What about your
online presence?  What about another brain you have given and exchanged
information with?  What about your house and all the ways you have modified
it to suit you?  What about everything you cause?  What about everything
that causes you?

I don't think there is a rational end to this slippery slope.  Ergo, God.

In my opinion, simulation arguments are also equivalent to theism.  I
consider simulationists to have very similar viewpoints to my own--perhaps
they are even stricter theists, because I don't believe in divine
intervention unless we are in a simulation.

Even if we are in a simulation, our masters are probably in one too, no?
The idea of a God allows for infinitely recurring simulations.

On Sun, Apr 19, 2020, 20:39 Stathis Papaioannou via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> On Mon, 20 Apr 2020 at 09:51, Will Steinberg via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>> What are y'all?
>> I am somewhere in the Deist/Pantheist/Panentheist realm, stemming from my
>> beliefs on consciousness.  I always assume you're mostly atheists but maybe
>> not?  I know Stathis is something trippy too.  Just wondering
> Atheist. However, weird conclusions come from the assumption that
> consciousness is not tied to a biological substrate and can result from
> computation.
>> --
> Stathis Papaioannou
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